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« on: June 27, 2015, 12:08:34 PM »

Well, she's a self-described "freedom fighter" at least:



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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2015, 12:11:04 PM »

FF indeed!
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2015, 12:25:42 PM »

You just know the people who desperately want to keep it up there are the same folks who protested flying the Chinese flag at the Washington State Capitol a few months back because it represented a communist takeover of America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/06/china-washington-flag_n_7010632.html
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2015, 12:39:59 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2015, 01:04:15 PM »

Good for her Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2015, 01:15:10 PM »

You just know the people who desperately want to keep it up there are the same folks who protested flying the Chinese flag at the Washington State Capitol a few months back because it represented a communist takeover of America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/06/china-washington-flag_n_7010632.html

Yes, unfortunately too many people (particularly in the North) grew up associating the CSA battle flag with rebellion and not slavery for which the rebellion was fought. They also associate rebellion with patriotism (perhaps because the country began with a rebellion), so one gets the illogical position of attaching US patriotism to the very emblem that fought against the US.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2015, 01:51:40 PM »

she can call herself what she wants. I call her a vandal and a professional agitator.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2015, 04:04:17 PM »

Yes, unfortunately too many people (particularly in the North) grew up associating the CSA battle flag with rebellion and not slavery for which the rebellion was fought. They also associate rebellion with patriotism (perhaps because the country began with a rebellion), so one gets the illogical position of attaching US patriotism to the very emblem that fought against the US.

This problem can partly--or quite plausibly primarily--be attributed to the failure of Reconstruction and the view of the war that was allowed to predominate in the postbellum period; that of a war between brothers or states, or even of a "Civil War" of two factions equally loyal to the nation's founding principles (the CSA, after all, did put George Washington on its seal) vying for supremacy, rather than a "War of Secession" (as it is known abroad), or even a "rebellion" (which what contemporary Unionists called it).

Lincoln's desire for a peace with "malice toward none and with charity for all" was noble enough, but the South--and many in the North--left Reconstruction with the view that the war was, as you said, a patriotic and justifiable act rather than one of treason. That is unsurprising- the penalties imposed upon those who engaged in treason and rebellion were woefully short of the level needed to ensure genuine compliance with the constitutional order and associated values, to say nothing of the usual penalties imposed on insurrectionists elsewhere. Their leaders never had to confess, much less face trial.

In short, Southerners were never made to think of themselves as the guilty party in the conflict, but instead that their "Lost Cause" had been a noble one, that the terms of Reconstruction were stringent rather than lenient, and that their worldview and idea of "American values" remained equally if not more valid as those of the Union. (And, in time, that their war, in fact, had nothing to do with slavery at all!) Therefore, to them, their rebellion did not in any way represent a rejection of American values or patriotism, and so neither did its flag. This, of course, is wrong--but no one ever bothered to drive that point home.

To be fair, however, the justification of state authority against insurrection is always going to require a degree of cognitive dissonance in a country that is founded in the rejection of state authority by insurrection. Of course, one might avoid such problems by rejecting the initial insurrectionist rejection as illegitimate, but I am aware that shall always be very much a minority viewpoint. Wink

she can call herself what she wants. I call her a vandal and a professional agitator.

The removal of a symbol of treason is a patriotic act that strengthens the rule of law, rather than a contravention of it.
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2015, 04:29:38 PM »

Definite FF.

The rebel flag is much more than "an historical symbol" and has no business being flown on any state property. It signifies that in their own twisted, bigoted way they are still fighting the Civil War.
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2015, 04:44:35 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2015, 05:00:22 PM »

Should've burned it on the spot.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2015, 06:12:11 PM »

Should've brought some scissors with her and cut it up. Would've made it a little harder for them to put it back up...
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2015, 12:26:09 AM »

Should've brought some scissors with her and cut it up. Would've made it a little harder for them to put it back up...

I'd have used that as an excuse to not put it back up.

"We're not clear about the policy of raising the flag. The Governor's office is under the impression that any change to the flag requires the support of a state legislative supermajority. We've asked the Attorney General to take a look at the statute the moment he has some free time on his hands."
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2015, 12:40:25 AM »

she can call herself what she wants. I call her a vandal and a professional agitator.

As opposed to you, who only agitates people as a hobby.
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2015, 03:37:44 AM »

Gov Haley made a courageous move in declaring rebel flag unconstitutional.
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2015, 05:12:09 AM »

It would have been even better if she put this flag that the Confederacy used instead.

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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2015, 12:39:00 PM »

she can call herself what she wants. I call her a vandal and a professional agitator.

As opposed to you, who only agitates people as a hobby.
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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2015, 03:49:26 PM »

Should've burned it on the spot.

Should have burned it on the pole for all to see
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