Erasing the Confederacy -How Far Would you Go?

[Frodo]

Go.

[Türkisblau]

Option 1 only I suppose. The rest seem a bit over the top.

[NeverAgain]

Option 1, 2, and 5.

[OSR stands with Israel]

1 and 5

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Only option 1.

People need to experience history in order to not repeat it.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Option 1 only I suppose. The rest seem a bit over the top.

[Antonio the Sixth]

All of the above.

[TNF]

Everything but prohibiting the flying of the flag at private residencies.

[dead0man]

I don't know yet.  I wouldn't be against 1,4 and 5.  2 and 6 should stay though.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Option one. I would also support 4 and 5 on a state level.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

1, 3-5

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Option 1 only I suppose. The rest seem a bit over the top.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The first five.

[Beet]

It's amazing how much the debate over the Confederate flag has changed. Back in 2001-2003 I remember the Democratic Governor of Georgia tried to change the flag, and it caused such a huge stink it cost the Democrats the Governorship. The new flag was tossed out and replaced with a GOP alternative. The flag change proponents were incompetent too, because the replacement they proposed was aesthetically terrible and roundly criticized. Now it's like night and day.

[ElectionsGuy]

1 and 5

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

1 and 5

This, but allow Confederate license plates if the car owner is willing to pay a fee to obtain it from the state. Who are the five voters who want to ban private homeowners from flying a flag? Show yourselves, statists!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

1 and 5

This, but allow Confederate license plates if the car owner is willing to pay a fee to obtain it from the state. Who are the five voters who want to ban private homeowners from flying a flag? Show yourselves, statists!

One already has:

All of the above.

[Antonio the Sixth]

1 and 5

This, but allow Confederate license plates if the car owner is willing to pay a fee to obtain it from the state. Who are the five voters who want to ban private homeowners from flying a flag? Show yourselves, statists!

One already has:

All of the above.

Yes, and I stand by it. If you're flying it outside of your house, you're exposing it to public view. Nobody should be forced to see such vicious symbol of hatred and oppression.

[Mechaman]

I'm okay with it being in the History Books.  Otherwise, we run a very real mistake of repeating the past.

Other than that?  I don't really care.

[Hatman 🍁]

Everything but prohibiting the flying of the flag at private residencies.

This. (not a fascist European)

Plus, this would let us know who the assholes are, better.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The issue isn't even exactly the memory of the Confederacy is it, so much as the fact that that memory (or more specifically the memory of its crushing) was used to legitimise the Jim Crow era. This is why the military flag is the iconic one and not the flag of the short-lived state.

[TNF]

1 and 5

This, but allow Confederate license plates if the car owner is willing to pay a fee to obtain it from the state. Who are the five voters who want to ban private homeowners from flying a flag? Show yourselves, statists!

One already has:

All of the above.

Yes, and I stand by it. If you're flying it outside of your house, you're exposing it to public view. Nobody should be forced to see such vicious symbol of hatred and oppression.

Should we erase it from the history books then, too? Perhaps substitute the Gadsden Flag for it in video games? I'm all stopping it being used by state and local governments in any capacity, but once you go beyond that, you're stepping into overkill territory, in my mind. Of course my position would be different in the context of an actual conflict with these types, but I think that, in peacetime, removing symbols of political dissent, be they of the right or the left, opens the door for some very bad things down the road.

Beyond that, if we're being logically consistent in prohibiting private display of the Confederate flag on the grounds that it is a symbol of hatred and oppression, should we not also ban the private display of the U.S. flag? Because while the Confederacy represented slavery and white supremacy for a mere four years, the U.S. flag represented slavery for 89 years and white supremacy (in an official capacity) for 188 years, to say nothing of the fact that it also represents the extermination of indigenous people, brutal wars of conquest (Mexico, Cuba, the Phillippines) and exploitation (Korea, Vietnam), coups against democratically-elected governments elsewhere (Middle East, Latin America, Asia), etc, etc.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Can we ban the french flag? The whole Vichy thing was rather nasty too.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'm fine with showing these symbols in ways and forms that don't entail an endorsement. History books and other displays for factual purposes are obviously OK. Flying a flag out of your house is of course very different. Can you imagine a German flying a Nazi flag out of their house?

[Mechaman]

I'm fine with showing these symbols in ways and forms that don't entail an endorsement. History books and other displays for factual purposes are obviously OK. Flying a flag out of your house is of course very different. Can you imagine a German flying a Nazi flag out of their house?

I would argue against all open displays of nationalism, of course.  I for one don't celebrate a flag of a country founded by largely deluded religious fundamentalists who thought my ancestors were "vermin".  I don't know why some people make exceptions just because "my country tis of thee."

Point being, we need to stop making exceptions for this sort of disgusting behavior.