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« on: June 29, 2015, 09:14:01 PM »

Discuss with maps how each candidate would have fared! I'm going to do Dean, Clark, Gephardt, Lieberman, Edwards, Kucinich, and Sharpton.

Bush vs Dean

284-254

Bush vs Clark

311-227

Gephardt vs Bush

289-249
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2015, 09:26:11 PM »

Lieberman vs Bush

351-187 (Purple b/c DINO)

Edwards vs Bush

323-215

Kucinich vs Bush

374-164

Sharpton vs Bush

408-130
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2015, 11:57:40 AM »

Discuss with maps how each candidate would have fared! I'm going to do Dean, Clark, Gephardt, Lieberman, Edwards, Kucinich, and Sharpton.

Bush vs Dean

284-254

Bush vs Clark

311-227

Gephardt vs Bush

289-249
I really don't see Howard Dean defeating Bush in 2004. If anything, he probably loses Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in addition to the states that John Kerry lost in RL.
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 10:21:50 PM »

There's still people who think Dean wouldn't have lost by a bigger margin than Kerry?
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 11:09:51 PM »

lol Dean beating Bush
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2015, 09:57:00 PM »
« Edited: July 03, 2015, 09:58:32 PM by dudeabides »

There were only two candidates in 2004 who would have been competitive with the President. Retired General Wesley Clark and Senator Joe Lieberman. Clark offered the greatest contrast with Bush: he was against the Iraq war from the start and he positioned himself as socially progressive. Joe Lieberman was a moderate Democrat much like John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton. Lieberman was always tough on national security where the Bush campaign couldn't attack him as weak, yet he offered a contrast with the President on domestic issues.

John Kerry lost to President Bush because Kerry had no record of accomplishment in the senate, he was not decisive, and he had a very liberal voting record. Dick Gephardt would have faced some of the same challenges, and John Edwards would have had to defend an even more liberal viewpoint and less experience. Howard Dean moved to the left to be viable in the Democratic primary, he was actually a more centrist Governor. His issue would have been a lack of discipline on his part.

The President's advantages were he had protected the homeland post 9/11 and the economy began to recover by 2004. He was seen as decisive and tough.

Wesley Clark (D) 50% 272 EV
George W. Bush (R) 49% 266 EV


George W. Bush (R) 49.8% 286 EV
Joe Lieberman (D)  49.5% 252 EV


George W. Bush (R) 51% 275 EV
Dick Gephardt (D) 48% 263 EV


George W. Bush (R) 53% 307 EV
Howard Dean (D) 46% 231 EV


George W. Bush (R) 55% 311 EV
John Edwards (D) 44% 227 EV
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2017, 03:30:22 AM »

There were only two candidates in 2004 who would have been competitive with the President. Retired General Wesley Clark and Senator Joe Lieberman. Clark offered the greatest contrast with Bush: he was against the Iraq war from the start and he positioned himself as socially progressive. Joe Lieberman was a moderate Democrat much like John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton. Lieberman was always tough on national security where the Bush campaign couldn't attack him as weak, yet he offered a contrast with the President on domestic issues.

John Kerry lost to President Bush because Kerry had no record of accomplishment in the senate, he was not decisive, and he had a very liberal voting record. Dick Gephardt would have faced some of the same challenges, and John Edwards would have had to defend an even more liberal viewpoint and less experience. Howard Dean moved to the left to be viable in the Democratic primary, he was actually a more centrist Governor. His issue would have been a lack of discipline on his part.

The President's advantages were he had protected the homeland post 9/11 and the economy began to recover by 2004. He was seen as decisive and tough.

Wesley Clark (D) 50% 272 EV
George W. Bush (R) 49% 266 EV


George W. Bush (R) 49.8% 286 EV
Joe Lieberman (D)  49.5% 252 EV


George W. Bush (R) 51% 275 EV
Dick Gephardt (D) 48% 263 EV


George W. Bush (R) 53% 307 EV
Howard Dean (D) 46% 231 EV


George W. Bush (R) 55% 311 EV
John Edwards (D) 44% 227 EV

I think Gephardt could have beaten Bush. Already looking at that map in addition to the states in the Gephardt column (which I think he would have won in real life had he won the Democratic nomination). I think he would also win Iowa which already gives him the 270 votes necessary to win. I think the only other Democrat who may have won would have been Wesley Clark.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2017, 11:23:55 PM »



Kerry/Gephardt would have carried the day in Ohio because the rust belt is kind to the Gephardt Labor or Union Leaders
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