Bush: GOP needs to broaden the map (with Hispanics)

[Likely Voter]

Bush was in Nevada and used a gambling metaphor to talk about the GOP electoral strategy....

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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-29/jeb-bush-is-definitely-a-better-campaigner-than-he-admits

Although he wasn't getting into specifics, I wonder if his team is planning on targeting any states that Romeny didn't go after. Romney did try to win Nevada, but ignored New Mexico. If they target Hispanics, NM could be back on the table. Could Team Jeb really be thinking of California? Is that where John Heilemann (who is totally in the tank for Jeb) got the notion that Bush could put CA into play?
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-10-06/the-truth-about-jeb-bushs-presidential-ambitions

Remember Jeb's brother actually campaigned in CA back in 2000
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/31/us/2000-campaign-texas-governor-confident-bush-says-he-can-win-california-s-vote.html

[HillOfANight]

lol at Bush winning California

[RFayette]

Jeb is right, but CA is a pipe dream.  Even if they did get Hispanics, there are tons of liberal whites as well.

[TJ in Oregon]

California would be absurd of course, but wasn't improvement with Hispanics a big part of the Gardner model for winning Colorado (albeit in a midterm)? He didn't really win the suburban Denver areas yet managed to win the state.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

lol at Bush winning California

His brother spent 8 digits to try to win California in 2000. Gore spent nothing and won by 11 points.

[dudeabides]

Bush was in Nevada and used a gambling metaphor to talk about the GOP electoral strategy....

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-29/jeb-bush-is-definitely-a-better-campaigner-than-he-admits

Although he wasn't getting into specifics, I wonder if his team is planning on targeting any states that Romeny didn't go after. Romney did try to win Nevada, but ignored New Mexico. If they target Hispanics, NM could be back on the table. Could Team Jeb really be thinking of California? Is that where John Heilemann (who is totally in the tank for Jeb) got the notion that Bush could put CA into play?
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-10-06/the-truth-about-jeb-bushs-presidential-ambitions

Remember Jeb's brother actually campaigned in CA back in 2000
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/31/us/2000-campaign-texas-governor-confident-bush-says-he-can-win-california-s-vote.html

California is not in play. If there is one candidate in this race who can win New Mexico and Nevada, it's Governor Bush.

Look, the bottom line is the Republican Party can't win a national election without broadening it's appeal. On the core economic issues facing our country, Republicans need to explain to Americans that our policies are the way to create jobs, keep the safety net in place for those who truly need it, and it's the path to reducing our national debt.

Republicans are not going to be able to win OR govern if they continue to take this complete hard line position on immigration. There are laws that need to be enforced, but deporting 11 million people is fiscally irresponsible and logistically impossible. Amnesty is not the answer, but a pathway to earned legal status is because it enforces our laws while being realistic and fiscally responsible. I'd rather have new taxpayers as opposed to more tax cheaters. While this position is politically smart, more importantly it's sound public policy.

Governor Bush is the only candidate that I see running that understands this. Senator Rubio does to an extent, but his pandering is going to hurt him long term.

[Skye]

ITT: Why try new strategies? I'm sure the map will remain the same forever!

[TJ in Oregon]

All of these "expand the map" strategies are ridiculous. Hillary won't win Missouri and Jeb won't win New Mexico (he MAY have a small chance with Martinez as his running mate).

With political money approaching infinite, they both might as well try. Heck, if they're lucky it could help to build for a future campaign years down the road.

[Free Bird]

He's not wrong.

[Blair]

Well any idiot would want to expand the map after 2012

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Hispanics aren't interested in conservatism. How much money needs to be pissed away in California and New Mexico before the GOP gets that through its thick skull?

[YaBoyNY]

Hispanics aren't interested in conservatism. How much money needs to be pissed away in California and New Mexico before the GOP gets that through its thick skull?

There are plenty of conservative Hispanics.

There are not, however, all that many Hispanics who will gladly vote for the Republican Party with the platform it has now.

[pbrower2a]

All of these "expand the map" strategies are ridiculous. Hillary won't win Missouri and Jeb won't win New Mexico (he MAY have a small chance with Martinez as his running mate).

"Expand the map" strategies can work not so much at compelling nominees and Parties to expend money and campaign time in states that would otherwise not seem to be in play.  If Republicans can compel the Clinton campaign to defend Minnesota or New Jersey, then Hillary Clinton has probably lost. On the other side, if the Clinton campaign can compel the Republican campaign to spend money and make campaign appearances in Arizona and Georgia, then the Clinton campaign has won.

[pbrower2a]

Hispanics aren't interested in conservatism. How much money needs to be pissed away in California and New Mexico before the GOP gets that through its thick skull?

Middle-class Hispanics may be no more liberal in 2016 than they were in 2000. But there are different forms and expressions of conservatism, and Republicans offer the wrong sort of conservatism.  Middle-class Hispanics are, first of all, well-educated. They are arch-conservatives on educational content. But what does that mean? They insist upon high-quality education for their kids. They have no use for the anti-intellectual demagoguery of the GOP that works well in the rural South. If they own businesses, then those businesses are small entities more likely to see welfare funds more likely to pay the bills than to see taxes as a nemesis.  Add to that, small business and giant entities are not always in harmony on politics, as giant entities are likely to seek to squeeze out small-business competition; giant entities are much more likely to make extraordinary profits through crony capitalism.

Poor Hispanics are more likely to see crime as a menace. They are more likely to do jobs that expose them to the menace of street crime. Republicans used to win voters on fear of crime when liberal Democrats still believed that crime was a consequence of poor social conditions that 'create' crime instead of seeing crime as a personal choice of people with the proclivity to commit crimes. The 'limousine liberal' Democrats used to push the idea that bad conditions fostered crime that even strict law enforcement and determined prosecution could not stop. Those 'limousine liberals' had had a patronizing, but subtly offensive view toward minority groups. Liberals no longer believe that stuff.   

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Latinos and southern blacks are somewhat conservative. But, they're not tea party. And policies said in the GoP primary doesnt serve the Latino purpose of enterpreneurship.

Latinos just like blacks want to talk about business ownership and making it easier to get loans and less about corprate tax cuts.

As well as social issues that divides them on class.

[Gass3268]

California would be absurd of course, but wasn't improvement with Hispanics a big part of the Gardner model for winning Colorado (albeit in a midterm)? He didn't really win the suburban Denver areas yet managed to win the state.

If you would have shown me the map of the Gardner-Udall race before the election I would have said Udall won by about 2%. Looked almost exactly like Obama's two wins in the state. Just the vote totals and margins were off.

[Blair]

Would I be correct in saying that it's probably wrong to still call them 'Hispanics'- I mean it's similar to Clinton saying we need to win more white votes, or we need to win the Catholic vote. There's so much variation in it

[Lincoln Republican]

Bush is correct.

I have always maintained that the Republican Party must return to its' roots and once again become a big tent party.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

This is not broadening the map, this is just going back to the standard 2004 winning map.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

We have to appeal to more minorities, and after this Trump fiasco is looks really bad on us.

[NeverAgain]

If this President thing doesn't work out, Jeb Bush could sure get a good job as a dealer in Vegas, if there is one thing we know about the Bushes, they know how to take your money away.

[Mehmentum]

I'm pretty sure that the 2016 map will look quite different from the 2008/2012 map.  2008 looked a lot different than 2000/2004, and 2000 looked different than 1996/1992.

I'm not quite sure how, be it through, Georgia, Missouri, or Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico, or something else, but I'm pretty sure there will be a few surprises in the 2016 map.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

2000 doesnt look all that different than 2012. Yes, Clinton is leading in OH and NV and Pa, but FL, which was the default state was the tipping pt state and CO&NV and Pa and IA may give Clinton the needed strength to win. Just like Latino rich NM and FL would have clinched presidency for Gore.

[Rockefeller GOP]

Hispanics aren't interested in conservatism. How much money needs to be pissed away in California and New Mexico before the GOP gets that through its thick skull?

What's your advice for the Republican Party, then?  I'm sick of seeing posts on here more or less ridiculing the GOP for any and all attempts to attract new voters...

[Ebsy]

Obviously California is out of reach, but even improving among Hispanics a couple points would shore up Georgia and Arizona while helping out in Colorado, Nevada, North Carolina, Florida, etc. So, in terms of strategy, Jeb is 100% right, the GOP needs more hispanic voters.