Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions

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http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cuba-stops-mother-child-hiv-transmission-n384481

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Ugh, America was born with syphillis and no dang commie is going to take syphilis away from it!

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Ugh, America was born with syphillis and no dang commie is going to take syphilis away from it!

And when there aren't enough Americans with syphilis, the US government fixes that problem.

[The Free North]

Ugh, America was born with syphillis and no dang commie is going to take syphilis away from it!

Stop posting.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Ugh, America was born with syphillis and no dang commie is going to take syphilis away from it!

Stop posting.

CrabCake is one of our best posters. Who the hell are you?

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Yet more proof of the 'failure' of state-run, centrally planned economies!

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Ugh, America was born with syphillis and no dang commie is going to take syphilis away from it!

Stop posting.

Who are you again?

[dead0man]

You guys might have a good point if the healthcare in Cuba worked as advertised (If you're poor and don't know anybody, sucks to be you unless it's an emergency) or America hadn't come up with tens of thousands of medical breakthroughs.

[Beezer]

Now they can team up with North Korea to eradicate other diseases.

[Blair]

You guys might have a good point if the healthcare in Cuba worked as advertised (If you're poor and don't know anybody, sucks to be you unless it's an emergency) or America hadn't come up with tens of thousands of medical breakthroughs.

that's complete bollocks. Cuba's health system has actually outpaced America in fighting measles, HIV and Malaria. Literally Cuban healthcare is better in almost every sense. Every indicator shows that Cuba is better-look at the Ebola outbreak and look who was on the front-line first... cuba.

[dead0man]

You guys might have a good point if the healthcare in Cuba worked as advertised (If you're poor and don't know anybody, sucks to be you unless it's an emergency) or America hadn't come up with tens of thousands of medical breakthroughs.

that's complete bollocks. Cuba's health system has actually outpaced America in fighting measles, HIV and Malaria.

cite?

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You don't need to a look for a cite for this, since it's complete bull spit.

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So, what you're telling me, is that if, Og forbid, you come down with the Ebola....you think your chances are better in Havana than Omaha?

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Like it literally doesn't happen a single time anymore?   I'm skeptical, but its great it's been reduced so much.

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Yet more proof of the 'failure' of state-run, centrally planned economies!

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[Blair]

You guys might have a good point if the healthcare in Cuba worked as advertised (If you're poor and don't know anybody, sucks to be you unless it's an emergency) or America hadn't come up with tens of thousands of medical breakthroughs.

that's complete bollocks. Cuba's health system has actually outpaced America in fighting measles, HIV and Malaria.

cite?

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You don't need to a look for a cite for this, since it's complete bull spit.

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So, what you're telling me, is that if, Og forbid, you come down with the Ebola....you think your chances are better in Havana than Omaha?

Do some reading bro....

Here

And here, which shows that Cuba's healthcare is pretty decent

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And yeah Cuba has outpaced the US in tons of areas...

lower infant mortality rate

Cuba is better at fighting HIV

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Yes, as seen in Houston the US can't really deal with public health emergencies when the public is A) So badly informed B) Treated my such a fragmented health service

[dead0man]

Speaking of reading bro.....

I never saw a cite for Cuba being better at fighting measles or malaria and their treatment of gays and HIV patients isn't really something you'd want to repeat here or anywhere else.  Better now, sure, but still not as friendly as, say, Houston.  Where nobody has ever been put into permanent quarantine because they had the HIV.

Having a lower infant mortality rate isn't a sign of better health care, it's a sign of less sh**tty mothers (not that having a baby die on you means you're a sh**tty mother, obviously).  Plus, from your own freaking link

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So mothers in Cuba die during pregnancy more than 5 times more often than US mothers AND we're better at pulling out barely alive babies, of course the numbers for babies dying will be higher in the US.

And I'll note you never addressed the fact that if you're poor, aren't in the THE Party and don't live in Havana, medical care kind of sucks/doesn't exist.

Look, healthcare in Cuba is pretty damn good.....compared to other third world hell holes and I'm sure the best care in Cuba is better than the worst care in the US.  But it's pure stupid to claim the care you get there generally is on par with any 1st world country.  It's just not, no matter how much you may ideologically want it to be.


and just a couple of other points that didn't fit anywhere else.....Doctors in Cuba make $67....a MONTH....and that's with a large raise LAST YEAR.  I've made more money while typing this post (I'm at work) than a Cuba doctor makes in a week.  That's funked up.  And while care is free in Cuba, drugs ain't.  Out of pocket.  And if you make less than $50 a month it can be hard to find that $15 for your heart medicine.

also sociolismo.

[Blair]

Speaking of reading bro.....

I never saw a cite for Cuba being better at fighting measles or malaria and their treatment of gays and HIV patients isn't really something you'd want to repeat here or anywhere else.  Better now, sure, but still not as friendly as, say, Houston.  Where nobody has ever been put into permanent quarantine because they had the HIV.

Having a lower infant mortality rate isn't a sign of better health care, it's a sign of less sh**tty mothers (not that having a baby die on you means you're a sh**tty mother, obviously).  Plus, from your own freaking link

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So mothers in Cuba die during pregnancy more than 5 times more often than US mothers AND we're better at pulling out barely alive babies, of course the numbers for babies dying will be higher in the US.

And I'll note you never addressed the fact that if you're poor, aren't in the THE Party and don't live in Havana, medical care kind of sucks/doesn't exist.

Look, healthcare in Cuba is pretty damn good.....compared to other third world hell holes and I'm sure the best care in Cuba is better than the worst care in the US.  But it's pure stupid to claim the care you get there generally is on par with any 1st world country.  It's just not, no matter how much you may ideologically want it to be.


and just a couple of other points that didn't fit anywhere else.....Doctors in Cuba make $67....a MONTH....and that's with a large raise LAST YEAR.  I've made more money while typing this post (I'm at work) than a Cuba doctor makes in a week.  That's funked up.  And while care is free in Cuba, drugs ain't.  Out of pocket.  And if you make less than $50 a month it can be hard to find that $15 for your heart medicine.

also sociolismo.

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Sorry, I'll make it clearer.

The US got rid of measles in 2000, with outbreaks still happening. Cuba got rid of measles in 1994, and apart from one case I saw from a dodgy vaccine has managed to limit any outbreaks since. Cuba is much better at vaccinations because you don't get crazies like Robert Kennedy Jnr screaming they're going to turn you into a zombie  

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I never mentioned anything about gays. Please tell me you don't think that all cuba HIV patients are gay? Sure they're HIV treatment in the 1980's wasn't perfect, I think it was better than doing what the US did healthcare wise. In fact Cuba's 'quarantine' program was one proposed by the US

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This sums it up

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Actually having a lower infant mortality rate is a sign of better health care. Health care isn't just about the emergency room, it's about primary care at all levels-including education, diet etc. On this level, for mothers the treatment from the MADI scheme is much better in Cuba than what you get in America-it's even worse in the US for African-American Children. Basically socialized healthcare is better for mothers

But nah, I get it. There's data that disagrees with your argument, lets look at other health indicators. Life expectancy is 76 for men in Cuba, 78 for the US. 81 for women in cuba, 81 for women in the US. So on that level it's a level playing field right? Let's expand it, and look at the most important thing in healthcare-inequality. Sure a rich white guy from orange county is going to be healthy, but what about a native American kid on a reserve in South Dakota? 6 times as likely to die from a heart attack, face the highest death rate out of any minority from diabetes, 32% of them live in poverty, suicide is the second highest killer for young men. That shouldn't be allowled to happen in any country, heck Bobby Kennedy told everyone about the problems in 1968 and no-one seems to have done anything about it. You'll ask me to cite this so I will

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-tonight-blog/2013/8/28/5-huge-native-americanhealthissuesyoudontknowabout.html

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/10/14340090-suicide-is-epidemic-for-american-indian-youth-what-more-can-be-done?lite

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Highlighted that for a laugh-not only is it simply not true-everyone has universal healthcare. But America is the most infamous for being the country were poor people without insurance (pre-obamacare) didn't get healthcare. Literally this is the definition of irony-an American attacking cuba for not providing healthcare to the poor

Because it's simply not true, you don't have to be a member of the party to get free medical treatment, and rural healthcare is actually pretty good for rural healthcare. Unlike the US where most doctors keep away from primary healthcare, Cuba encourages people to get involved in family medicine. They set up schemes to get access to rural communities, and have build clinics that serve them well.

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Yeah I'm just a crazy socialist

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Well you do know that Cuba is not the US right? Of course the wages are going to be lower than yours-its a completely different economic situation. If they paid them western wages then no doubt you'd attack them as wasting money on doctors, rather than spending it on care. Not only could I make the marxist point that there's more to life than money but I'll point out...

Cuba firstly gives all doctors free accommodation, it also gives them free degrees. Considering Cuba's ELAM school was called 'the world's most advanced medical school' by Ban Ki-Moon, the Head of the UN then I'd take that as a sign that Cuba's doctors are pretty well off.

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Basically socialized healthcare is better for mothers

I know you didn't mention it, but I assumed that was because it didn't fit your assumptions....so I'll mention it again.....mother die 5 times more often than mothers in the US.  Not a fraction of a percent higher, like Cuba's infant mortality rate, 5 times.  Five.  How is that better for mothers?

It seems you are only paying attention to the metrics that show what you want them to show and ignoring everything else.  Or just plugging your ears and going nah nah nah.

Like I said, Cuba does pretty damn good for a third world, authoritarian sh**t hole, but it's pure silly to compare it to the care one generally gets in the US.

[Blair]

Basically socialized healthcare is better for mothers

I know you didn't mention it, but I assumed that was because it didn't fit your assumptions....so I'll mention it again.....mother die 5 times more often than mothers in the US.  Not a fraction of a percent higher, like Cuba's infant mortality rate, 5 times.  Five.  How is that better for mothers?

It seems you are only paying attention to the metrics that show what you want them to show and ignoring everything else.  Or just plugging your ears and going nah nah nah.

Like I said, Cuba does pretty damn good for a third world, authoritarian sh**t hole, but it's pure silly to compare it to the care one generally gets in the US.

Ok, that's one element that shows that Cuba isn't as good in every area. Are you going to respond to the rest of my argument about HIV care? The best medical schools? Rural healthcare? Measles treatment?

Highly ironic that you accuse me of skipping over stuff, when you reply to what 1 point I made out of about 12.

Ohh how edgy, calling Cuba a sh**thole-that makes you sound really smart yk. In certain areas it ranks better than the US-that's a fact