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bedstuy
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« on: July 03, 2015, 07:41:18 AM »

The last two Iowa caucuses were won by severely underfunded, Christian conservative underdogs.  Walker needs to compete for those voters.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2015, 08:41:39 AM »

The last two Iowa caucuses were won by severely underfunded, Christian conservative underdogs.  Walker needs to compete for those voters.

But those IA caucuses haven't done so well the last two cycles at predicting the eventual GOP nominee. It only seems to serve to identify who will be the last challenger to the nominee (Huckabee, Santorum). I wouldn't have thought that Walker wants to be stuck in that role.

I think the problem with Huckabee and Santorum's campaigns is not that they won Iowa.  It's that they weren't registering or raising money at all before Iowa and they were flawed candidates.  If they didn't win Iowa, their campaigns would never have taken off.

Walker comes in a much stronger candidate in every way. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2015, 10:13:57 AM »

Republicans should continue to defend the pro-life position because human life is precious and deserves to be protected.

However, on the issue of same-sex marriage, the party has to learn to be inclusive and that these are God's children just as much as heterosexual individuals. Therefore, the government should be out of the issue of marriage and if we insist government should be involved, it should only be at the state level.

How do you handle all of the legal issues around marriage then?  How do you know whether people are married for say, purposes of employment benefits without marriage?  And, isn't that the opposite of the Republican social ideology of being in favor of marriage?  I thought Republicans thought marriage had beneficial social and economic effects.  I guess not?

And, Democrats don't want the Federal government involved in marriage.  The only time that has happened was DOMA and Democrats pushed to have that repealed. 

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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2015, 10:34:15 AM »

Republicans should continue to defend the pro-life position because human life is precious and deserves to be protected.

However, on the issue of same-sex marriage, the party has to learn to be inclusive and that these are God's children just as much as heterosexual individuals. Therefore, the government should be out of the issue of marriage and if we insist government should be involved, it should only be at the state level.

How do you handle all of the legal issues around marriage then?  How do you know whether people are married for say, purposes of employment benefits without marriage?  And, isn't that the opposite of the Republican social ideology of being in favor of marriage?  I thought Republicans thought marriage had beneficial social and economic effects.  I guess not?

And, Democrats don't want the Federal government involved in marriage.  The only time that has happened was DOMA and Democrats pushed to have that repealed. 



I do believe that children who are raised in a home with one man and one woman are more likely to succeed, but there are plenty of great single parents AND same-sex couples. We should not discriminate against anyone.

If we are going to have marriage be state recognized contract, I want it to be at the state and not federal level. But, I would prefer if we left those decisions up to the religious institutions - I don't think our tax code or laws should distinguish between those who are married and those who are single. However, obviously states are going to have to continue to have laws pertaining to children and custody etc. 

Marriage has never been at the Federal level so that's solved.

Aside from that, you're not making sense.  You're proposing that we legally invalidate all marriages, and do so at the state level, correct? 

So, the government could never differentiate between married and single people, everyone would be legally single.  That takes away the tax question.  And, for example, you wouldn't get any immigration status because you're married to someone.  That might break up families, but I see your point, breaking families is necessary to stand up for family values.

But, what about my employee benefits point?  Do you ban companies from offering health insurance or other benefits to their employees' partners?  How do you handle family issues and immigration issues? 

And, what is the point of all that legal hassle, which as I pointed out, goes against Republican's core social convictions of being pro-marriage?
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