Current status of SSM in the holdout states (MAP)

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Guys, you're arguing with shua, who thinks discrimination against LGBT people should be legal if you can hide behind religion. Of course he doesn't get it. You're wasting your time.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

To engage in some psychobabble, this clerk strikes me as a narcissist. Everything revolves around her desires, the rest including performing her duties, be damned (and probably she took an oath, she is now violating, to follow the law, when she was sworn into office). If she had any decency at all, she would just resign, stating that performing the job now violates her conscience. Why does she not do what seems obvious to anyone who respects the rule of law?

This just strikes me as a way to get fame and money. She knows conservative Christians are gullible idiots, and she's seen what happened with the pizza people and Chick-fil-a, so this is probably a stunt to get rich quick. I don't doubt she probably hates the gays like most conservative Christians do, but why pass up a golden opportunity?

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Davis is the one who altered the licenses to remove her name.  

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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/14/440215241/kim-davis-back-at-work-but-remains-defiant

She now has de facto the accommodation she was looking for.  I guess that means we live in a theocracy and gays no longer have any rights, or something.

She could've just done this from the beginning instead of forbidding her clerks from doing so and causing a scene, but okay, it's always the liberals' fault in your world when it comes to LGBT rights.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Yes, she could have tried this from the beginning and taken things into her own hands in this way rather than the way she did, the questionable legality of such an action without explicit approval would still exist.

And this would have been worse than what she did how...? Authorizing her clerks to issue marriage licenses and then petitioning the government/courts for clarification would be worse than refusing to issue any and all licenses? Or simply resigning like the one clerk did in Texas (IIRC?) since she can't seem to do her job anymore?

That's what makes Kim Davis different from that Muslim truck driver who asked his company if someone else could deliver the beer, instead of him trying to stop the company from delivering anything he considered in violation of his beliefs entirely (and since we're on the subject, homophobia is not the same as teetotaling. LGBT people have actually been unjustly persecuted across history, while people who drink beer have not. Ditto on religious people in America, they're not persecuted because their discrimination isn't legally sanctioned). When Kim Davis stopped her whole office from doing their jobs, that's when she lost all credibility about "religious freedom".

She did this to herself, and got what she deserved (and more, I suppose, with her 15 minutes of fame).

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It's not their jobs to anticipate everyone's possible objections. If she has the objection, it's up to her to petition/ask for help.

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Yeah, no, that's complete bull. Liberals don't go around thinking "Wow, to avoid recognizing our opponents' beliefs, we need to jail them!". The reason she was jailed was that not only did she refused to do her job, she prohibited her subordinates from doing theirs. This isn't some grand drive by liberals to go around imprisoning everyone.

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lol the only one being antagonistic is religious conservatives with crap like this and Indiana-style RFRA laws. Gays got their civil marriage rights and ask for anti-discrimination laws, and that's it. It's the religious conservatives who bitterly try to carve out special exemptions for themselves.

Stop projecting the willfully undertaken bigoted actions of your side onto others.