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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2015, 12:11:41 PM »
« edited: July 06, 2015, 12:18:37 PM by DimpledChad »

Those protesters sound like Republicans unfortunately. Even as anti-Clinton Democrat, I couldn't care less about this Benghazi nonsense. Nobody who isn't insane does at this point.

Clearly, there was an intelligence failure in Libya. Four Americans were murdered, I think you'd have to be some kind of sick sociopath not to care about that. The truth is, we don't know exactly what happened, but we do know that Hillary Clinton lied about it.

Hillary Clinton is highly unqualified to be President of the United States. Be it the situation in Libya and how she handled that, her Russian reset, and her vote against funding our troops in combat while a U.S. Senator, Hillary Clinton has consistently shown poor judgement in foreign affairs.

So a handful of Republicans protesting Clinton means her campaign is in trouble?  Some people need a reality check.

Hillary Clinton's primary campaign is not in trouble. The Democratic Party is willing to ignore the Clinton scandals, her lack of judgement in foreign affairs, and her votes against the economic interests of everyday Americans while a U.S. Senator. The media is willing to overlook these issues as well.

The choice for Republicans is going to determine if Hillary Clinton wins in 2016.

I know you get to conveniently hide behind the veil of "we'll never know what happened!" which allows you allege bad things happened without acting saying what the bad things are. Really though, what do you imagine Clinton did? Do you think she organized those guys deaths? Do you think she wanted them to die? That's insane person talk, go to a mental institution. Or are you saying she "should have known"? I mean, I guess, but you can say the same thing about Bush and 9/11.

We'll never know what happened because Secretary Clinton has not allowed us to know what really happened. Days after the attack, she acknowledged that we didn't know what happened. Yet, she then told congress that it wouldn't make a difference what happened. Secretary Clinton's unwillingness to find out what happened either stems from laziness, or a cover-up. Either she didn't know what happened and didn't want to find out, or she did know and decided to cover it up. Either way, it shows that she does not have the judgement to lead this country because we have to learn from the past, and this instance was tragic - we lost 4 American lives at the hands of terrorists. Your Bush analogy makes absolutely no sense because we did find out what happened and the President established a commission to further research it and find answers.

How many Americans died because of Bush's "intelligence failure" in Iraq? Over 4,000 is the answer. Why didn't you have questions about that? The irony of seeing you yell foul over Benghazi and then not be outraged about that is stunning.

To accuse Hillary Clinton of somehow having orchestrated or covered up information about the Benghazi attacks is simply absurd. SEVEN GOP-led congressional investigations have found NO WRONGDOING. At this point, you are politicizing the deaths of four Americans. Grow up.
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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2015, 12:31:31 PM »

Why is she ducking and weaving, bending over backwards to avoid press questions? If it isn't Benghazi, if it isn't emailgate, if it isn't the Clinton Foundation fundraising irregularities & activities that are the problems. Then why isn't Hillary emerging from her cocoon? Does she realize that in the full glare of press inquisition she will wilt under the weight of her rationales, excuses, half - truths, language parsing in Clintonian fashion? Folks like the Clinton for the entertainment value and are very likely not willing to submit to another era of psycho drama, been there, done that.  Folks overestimate Hillary's appeal. She knows this, that's why she won't go before the media, her lies & inconsistencies will catch her. She must understand this, in spite of her denials to the contrary. She will have to play by the rules of the game, that everyone else observes to stay in the game. When votes are at stake, then she will cry uncle😉
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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2015, 12:40:39 PM »

My question still wasn't answered. Republicans keep saying there's a cover up but they won't say what they think is being covered up. It's either because 1) they know nothing is being covered up 2) they know the types of things they are imagining/suggesting are tinfoil hattery.
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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2015, 12:45:29 PM »

My question still wasn't answered. Republicans keep saying there's a cover up but they won't say what they think is being covered up. It's either because 1) they know nothing is being covered up 2) they know the types of things they are imagining/suggesting are tinfoil hattery.

Exactly. What exactly do they think Hillary did? Conspire to commit this terrorist attack? It's absurd, but I suppose they'll still revert to "oh, we don't know because Hillary doesn't want us to know!"
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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2015, 01:08:53 PM »



Anyone remember this? Really, I don't get it. What did you want Hillary to do? She's not even SecDef,
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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2015, 01:11:16 PM »
« Edited: July 06, 2015, 01:13:10 PM by King »



We need to find out what the state department knew or didn't know

Already studied by prior committees.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-debunked/2014/11/29/876ff67e-751f-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html

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They're just trying to ask again because they didn't like the answer. Any reasonable person can see this.
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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2015, 01:48:36 PM »

If the Berniebots latch on to Benghazi, I will laugh... well I'll just laugh a lot.
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2015, 02:59:58 PM »

If the Berniebots latch on to Benghazi, I will laugh... well I'll just laugh a lot.

Extremely unlikely.
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2015, 03:21:13 PM »

If you take conspiracy theories about Benghazi or Vince Foster seriously, you're a crazy Republican hack.  You're just embarrassing yourselves.

In the end, the Republican nominee for President is going to have to oppose Hillary Clinton on the issues. There are a ton of skeletons in her closet, but the media and the Democratic Party will find excuses for the Clintons as they have for the last two decades. Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead.

But, in the end, this election is about the future of our economy and our security.

Hillary Clinton is running for Barack Obama's third term. We have the lowest labor participation rate since 1980, record low business start-up rates, massive underemployment, the worst economic recovery since the great depression, wages barely keeping pace with inflation, and a record national debt. That's the record Hillary Clinton will run on, in addition to her own record of opposing tax cuts and voting against funding our troops in a war she voted for.

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« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2015, 03:33:07 PM »

Stop talking like a candidate.
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« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2015, 04:10:48 PM »

lol
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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2015, 04:44:41 PM »

if Bernie is "viable" heading into November or so he should devote a small part of his campaign to protesting Hillary wherever she goes. 

and if he loses but still gets 1000+ delegates, do everything possible to fck up the Convention.  (which probably isn't much nowadays, unless you can get tens of thousands of warm bodies together who are willing to give and take an asskicking with the cops).

so many possibilities.
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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2015, 04:45:34 PM »

make Hilldawg as angry as Bill Daley was when he shouted "fcking Jew!" at Abe Ribicoff.
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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2015, 04:46:52 PM »

Literally 7 Republicans showed up and yelled a bit. Why are we taking about this?
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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2015, 04:49:15 PM »

Literally 7 Republicans showed up and yelled a bit. Why are we taking about this?

because it's a window into tactical possibility.
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« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2015, 05:43:26 PM »

Bernie Sanders
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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2015, 07:21:56 PM »

The question will be answered then by this Republican, by cleaning her server, and only handing over those emails that are not viewed as politically damaging,  Hillary uses the rationale that she didn't break the law, she didn't violate the spirit of the law and has the gall to presume folks are so dumb and addled to buy her cock and bull crap. She forgets one thing, the burden of innocence doesn't lie with us Republicans. We didn't wipe our server like we were trying to hide anything. Being a smart ass about the whole thing, using the rationale "I didn't do anything wrong and you can't prove it" won't wash. The simple truth, is Hillary thinks she has gotten away with it. When she hasn't, the email affair and her cleaning her server will dog her throughout the campaign. Republicans don't have to prove anything, but Hillary has to prove she wasn't trying to cover up stuff, she hasn't done a good job so far. Her negatives are rising, her favorability ratings are going down, people view her as dishonest. So if she thought she has gotten away with things, then she should think again, she must know as long as there are Republicans and Fox news, as well as swift boat 527 groups to keep the pot bubbling she won't be able to hide. Republicans don't really have to throw the book at her in a legal sense. She saw to that, by wiping her server clean. They can merely point out the optics. Remember what happened to John Kerry in 2004? Unhappy days are around the corner for Hillary.
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« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2015, 03:33:37 AM »

If the Berniebots latch on to Benghazi, I will laugh... well I'll just laugh a lot.

Sanders himself won't.  But Chafee seems to have done so (he's also latched onto Whitewater!).  Curious to see what audience reaction will be when he brings this stuff up in the debates…if he makes it that far.
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« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2015, 04:03:07 AM »
« Edited: July 07, 2015, 04:08:34 AM by Senator Blair »

If you take conspiracy theories about Benghazi or Vince Foster seriously, you're a crazy Republican hack.  You're just embarrassing yourselves.

In the end, the Republican nominee for President is going to have to oppose Hillary Clinton on the issues. There are a ton of skeletons in her closet, but the media and the Democratic Party will find excuses for the Clintons as they have for the last two decades. Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead.

But, in the end, this election is about the future of our economy and our security.

Hillary Clinton is running for Barack Obama's third term. We have the lowest labor participation rate since 1980, record low business start-up rates, massive underemployment, the worst economic recovery since the great depression, wages barely keeping pace with inflation, and a record national debt. That's the record Hillary Clinton will run on, in addition to her own record of opposing tax cuts and voting against funding our troops in a war she voted for.



Oh yeah, you remember the 2008 crash? You know the one that the GOP pretty much failed to prevent?

But please, run on the economy. It worked great in 2012 didn't it? Obama has got unemployment below what Mitt 47% Romney would have, he's got 18 million people with healthcare, he's got new relations with Cuba, he's saved the detriot car industry, pumped tons back into the economy through stimulus and quite frankly done an impressive job after the US was ed by 8 years with the worse President since Herbert Hoover.

You want higher wages? Support a higher minimum wage.

You want higher labor rates? Cut anti-union laws, scrap 'right to work'. Unions raise pay, conditions and economic activity.

You want higher employment? Why didn't the GOP support the stimulus act or the saving of car industry?

You want lower national debt? Maybe cut one of the 10 Super-Carriers, cut the funding to big oil, pull the troops out of Germany, reduce tax loopholes, have a higher tax rate for billionaires. You don't lower the national debt through cutting taxes

At least Obama will be able to attend the 2016 convention, unlike Bush and Cheney who were hid away like a bad smell
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« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2015, 07:53:56 AM »

If you take conspiracy theories about Benghazi or Vince Foster seriously, you're a crazy Republican hack.  You're just embarrassing yourselves.

In the end, the Republican nominee for President is going to have to oppose Hillary Clinton on the issues. There are a ton of skeletons in her closet, but the media and the Democratic Party will find excuses for the Clintons as they have for the last two decades. Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead.

But, in the end, this election is about the future of our economy and our security.

Hillary Clinton is running for Barack Obama's third term. We have the lowest labor participation rate since 1980, record low business start-up rates, massive underemployment, the worst economic recovery since the great depression, wages barely keeping pace with inflation, and a record national debt. That's the record Hillary Clinton will run on, in addition to her own record of opposing tax cuts and voting against funding our troops in a war she voted for.



Oh yeah, you remember the 2008 crash? You know the one that the GOP pretty much failed to prevent?

But please, run on the economy. It worked great in 2012 didn't it? Obama has got unemployment below what Mitt 47% Romney would have, he's got 18 million people with healthcare, he's got new relations with Cuba, he's saved the detriot car industry, pumped tons back into the economy through stimulus and quite frankly done an impressive job after the US was ed by 8 years with the worse President since Herbert Hoover.

You want higher wages? Support a higher minimum wage.

You want higher labor rates? Cut anti-union laws, scrap 'right to work'. Unions raise pay, conditions and economic activity.

You want higher employment? Why didn't the GOP support the stimulus act or the saving of car industry?

You want lower national debt? Maybe cut one of the 10 Super-Carriers, cut the funding to big oil, pull the troops out of Germany, reduce tax loopholes, have a higher tax rate for billionaires. You don't lower the national debt through cutting taxes

At least Obama will be able to attend the 2016 convention, unlike Bush and Cheney who were hid away like a bad smell

Millions of Americans lost their health insurance and the reason there are some who obtained it is because of the expansion of government-run health care. Millions of Americans are still having difficulty affording their insurance, an unsustainable path long tern. Obamacare has forced companies to cut hours and has therefore led to underemployment and reduced take home pay.

Obama's stimulus became a corporate welfare slush fund, this is the worst "recovery" since the great depression. Thanks to Dodd-Frank, while Wall Street is doing just fine, small businesses can't get a line of credit.

In the 1980s, the Reagan tax cuts led to a 99% increase in federal revenue. Even the Bush tax cuts led to a 44% increase in federal revenue. If you want to grow this economy, you have to substantially reduce tax rates but yes, loopholes and deductions should be closed or limited, I completely agree with you there.

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« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2015, 08:04:35 AM »

We don't know what happened and probably won't know what happened with Benghazi.

Alright then, to all the Pro-Hillary supporters on here, would you rather protesters ask questions detailing foreign policy failures in Honduras/Nicaragua, spying on Germany and France, Russian relations, Israeli relations, etc. while Clinton was Secretary of State?
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« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2015, 08:07:46 AM »

I'm not pro-Hillary. I would like someone to slam her over Iraq. The Benghazi issue is just stupid though.
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« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2015, 08:37:29 AM »

We don't know what happened and probably won't know what happened with Benghazi.

Alright then, to all the Pro-Hillary supporters on here, would you rather protesters ask questions detailing foreign policy failures in Honduras/Nicaragua, spying on Germany and France, Russian relations, Israeli relations, etc. while Clinton was Secretary of State?


Well the Germany spying thing started back in 2002, and I know that congressional oversight of NSA has been absolutely awful so that's something that HRC needs to run on.
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« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2015, 08:58:40 AM »

If you take conspiracy theories about Benghazi or Vince Foster seriously, you're a crazy Republican hack.  You're just embarrassing yourselves.

In the end, the Republican nominee for President is going to have to oppose Hillary Clinton on the issues. There are a ton of skeletons in her closet, but the media and the Democratic Party will find excuses for the Clintons as they have for the last two decades. Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead.

But, in the end, this election is about the future of our economy and our security.

Hillary Clinton is running for Barack Obama's third term. We have the lowest labor participation rate since 1980, record low business start-up rates, massive underemployment, the worst economic recovery since the great depression, wages barely keeping pace with inflation, and a record national debt. That's the record Hillary Clinton will run on, in addition to her own record of opposing tax cuts and voting against funding our troops in a war she voted for.



Oh yeah, you remember the 2008 crash? You know the one that the GOP pretty much failed to prevent?

But please, run on the economy. It worked great in 2012 didn't it? Obama has got unemployment below what Mitt 47% Romney would have, he's got 18 million people with healthcare, he's got new relations with Cuba, he's saved the detriot car industry, pumped tons back into the economy through stimulus and quite frankly done an impressive job after the US was ed by 8 years with the worse President since Herbert Hoover.

You want higher wages? Support a higher minimum wage.

You want higher labor rates? Cut anti-union laws, scrap 'right to work'. Unions raise pay, conditions and economic activity.

You want higher employment? Why didn't the GOP support the stimulus act or the saving of car industry?

You want lower national debt? Maybe cut one of the 10 Super-Carriers, cut the funding to big oil, pull the troops out of Germany, reduce tax loopholes, have a higher tax rate for billionaires. You don't lower the national debt through cutting taxes

At least Obama will be able to attend the 2016 convention, unlike Bush and Cheney who were hid away like a bad smell

Millions of Americans lost their health insurance and the reason there are some who obtained it is because of the expansion of government-run health care. Millions of Americans are still having difficulty affording their insurance, an unsustainable path long tern. Obamacare has forced companies to cut hours and has therefore led to underemployment and reduced take home pay.

Obama's stimulus became a corporate welfare slush fund, this is the worst "recovery" since the great depression. Thanks to Dodd-Frank, while Wall Street is doing just fine, small businesses can't get a line of credit.

In the 1980s, the Reagan tax cuts led to a 99% increase in federal revenue. Even the Bush tax cuts led to a 44% increase in federal revenue. If you want to grow this economy, you have to substantially reduce tax rates but yes, loopholes and deductions should be closed or limited, I completely agree with you there.

some who obtained it? That's political bullsh**t! 18 million obtained it. Heck I'd value Obamacare for the simple fact that he puts HIV care at the centre of healthcare-I know the black and gay community dont matter to the GOP but sure run on taking away people's anti-viral drugs. That's a brilliant move for governance.

And okay, millions are struggling to pay for it? Make it a universal human right, where everyone gets free healthcare, and where people don't have to go into debt to simply survive. Because quite frankly that's how you make healthcare 100% affordable. Obamacare didn't go far enough.

Obamacare simply ended the 'job lock' and let people not be tied to a single job. As we've discussed many times private sector jobs have grown under Obama. He gave a tax cut to small businesses to help them grow, and gave them a 50% tax credit to pay for healthcare. I don't think people should be tied into a job purely to get health coverage

Tax cuts don't work. I mean not only did both Bush and Reagan massively increase the national debt, and deficit but they also massively increased income inequality. You can't have a massive gap, whether it's in healthcare or income. There are countless examples of how big tax cuts simply don't work-sure lets get low income workers out of tax but otherwise don't cut taxes for big business. Look what's happened in Kansas-they've lost 8% of there reveune in 2 years alone since Brownback. Reagan's tax cuts lead to the massive increase in the federal debt-plus the buildup of the military to 'defeat' the Soviet Union.
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« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2015, 09:03:40 AM »

If you take conspiracy theories about Benghazi or Vince Foster seriously, you're a crazy Republican hack.  You're just embarrassing yourselves.

In the end, the Republican nominee for President is going to have to oppose Hillary Clinton on the issues. There are a ton of skeletons in her closet, but the media and the Democratic Party will find excuses for the Clintons as they have for the last two decades. Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead.

But, in the end, this election is about the future of our economy and our security.

Hillary Clinton is running for Barack Obama's third term. We have the lowest labor participation rate since 1980, record low business start-up rates, massive underemployment, the worst economic recovery since the great depression, wages barely keeping pace with inflation, and a record national debt. That's the record Hillary Clinton will run on, in addition to her own record of opposing tax cuts and voting against funding our troops in a war she voted for.

Barack Obama is a great President, who won a majority of the vote, twice.  Republicans are not going to win by running on an economic populist message, if their solutions exclusively involve giving the rich even more of a leg up.

As far as Hillary goes, you've tried to create scandals for years.  They don't turn out to be anything.  Vince Foster is someone who committed suicide.  Benghazi was a terrorist attack, those happen under every President. 
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