Israel losing support from Democrats

[moderatevoter]

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[Ebsy]

Poll shows Democrats are more sane, news at 11.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Horrifying. The far left continues to insert its corrosive tentacles into the Democratic party, pushing them towards the hellish extremism that comes with any radical left-wing movement. Hopefully their embrace of this twisted worldview will be yet another reason they get slammed next year.

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Horrifying. The far left continues to insert its corrosive tentacles into the Democratic party, pushing them towards the hellish extremism that comes with any radical left-wing movement. Hopefully their embrace of this twisted worldview will be yet another reason they get slammed next year.

The Republicans turning Israel into a partisan stick surely couldn't have helped? Oh and BiBi's idiocy, which has led to Israel being more internationally isolated than ever.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Horrifying. The far left continues to insert its corrosive tentacles into the Democratic party, pushing them towards the hellish extremism that comes with any radical left-wing movement. Hopefully their embrace of this twisted worldview will be yet another reason they get slammed next year.

The Republicans turning Israel into a partisan stick surely couldn't have helped? Oh and BiBi's idiocy, which has led to Israel being more internationally isolated than ever.

Obama's decision to attempt to bludgeon Israel into submission in 2010 came before any of that.

[The Mikado]

After years of systematically trying to undermine US foreign policy (most recently through a blatant effort to sabotage the deal with Iran, quite possibly the most important foreign policy venture since Nixon went to China), the American people are growing tired of the State of Israel's intransigence. Who would've guessed?

[CountryClassSF]

Hopefully, with it, the Democrats will  start to lose a higher share of the Jewish vote. FL goes R in 2016.

[Senate Minority Leader Lord Voldemort]

Hopefully, with it, the Democrats will  start to lose a higher share of the Jewish vote. FL goes R in 2016.

Republicans have thought they could capitalize on the Jewish vote since Reagan. The Jewish voting block as a whole is too liberal and too educated to be reduced down to single issue voters. They won't be won over by Republicans that easily. And in any event, no mater what the majority of Democratic voters think, the top of the ticket (Hillary) will still be vehemently pro-Israel.

[CountryClassSF]

Republicans have thought they could capitalize on the Jewish vote since Reagan. The Jewish voting block as a whole is too liberal and too educated to be reduced down to single issue voters. They won't be won over by Republicans that easily. And in any event, no mater what the majority of Democratic voters think, the top of the ticket (Hillary) will still be vehemently pro-Israel.

Well, they've been trending Republican as a voting bloc in recent years. HRC didn't speak up as SOS over Obama's anti-Israel agenda

[Indy Texas]

Horrifying. The far left continues to insert its corrosive tentacles into the Democratic party, pushing them towards the hellish extremism that comes with any radical left-wing movement. Hopefully their embrace of this twisted worldview will be yet another reason they get slammed next year.

The Republicans turning Israel into a partisan stick surely couldn't have helped? Oh and BiBi's idiocy, which has led to Israel being more internationally isolated than ever.

This was a huge mistake on their part. Republicans were already staunchly pro-Israel and by hammering away at this point that, "Good Republicans must support Israel," you are implicitly inducing a lot of Democrats to infer, "Republicans support Israel. Therefore, supporting Israel must be a bad thing."

[Frodo]

Hopefully, with it, the Democrats will  start to lose a higher share of the Jewish vote.

I highly doubt that Jews will vote Republican en masse, but even if that were to happen, given the population figures between Jews and Muslims in the United States, that is perfectly fine with us:

Jews

Population: 5.7 million (as of 2010), projected to decline to 5.3 million by 2050

Muslims

Population: 3.5 million (as of 2010), projected to increase to ~10 million by 2050

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Sanders is much less likely to go along with wars Israel wants than Clinton. However, like almost every politician, he is too pro-Israel. It'll be hilarious if AIPAC or whatever starts calling a pro-Israel Jew who spent several months in Israel an anti-semite.

[DrScholl]

Horrifying. The far left continues to insert its corrosive tentacles into the Democratic party, pushing them towards the hellish extremism that comes with any radical left-wing movement. Hopefully their embrace of this twisted worldview will be yet another reason they get slammed next year.

Netanyanhu is the problem. The Republican House gave him a platform to the slam the President from the House chamber, something that no other foreign leader would be given.

[ag]

Hopefully, with it, the Democrats will  start to lose a higher share of the Jewish vote. FL goes R in 2016.

I am pretty sure this also reflects the trends among the American Jews.

[MalaspinaGold]

If there is a shift in Jewish political support for Israel it won't be happening because of Israel, but because of high intermarriage and low growth rates among non religious Jews, coupled with low intermarriage/high growth rates among non-haredi Orthodox Jews skewing the demographics. In other words, while there are far more left-leaning Jews than right-leaning Jews, the children/grandchildren of right-leaning Jews are far more likely to be Jewish than those of left-leaning Jews. Haredim of course are a completely different case rather unique in the Jewish community.

The only things that could likely change this pattern are:
a) a "national revival" among secular Jews whereby they preserve both their Jewishness and their leftism (unlikely, but certainly possible)
b) a  mass secularization of Orthodox Jews (unlikely, and may backfire; modern Orthodox tend to be far more pro-Israel than Haredim),
c) Israel becoming left-wing again (peace + socialism/social democracy)
d) the Republicans adopt some anti-semitic attitudes (the religious right already are, they just screen it behind their pro-Israel rhetoric; if Israel becomes left-wing, then expect anti-semitic imagery to increase.)

So prognosis is of course bad for left-wing Judaism, but in the long run not for reasons directly relating to Israel, but rather due to the changing demographics of American Jews.

[pbrower2a]

Horrifying. The far left continues to insert its corrosive tentacles into the Democratic party, pushing them towards the hellish extremism that comes with any radical left-wing movement. Hopefully their embrace of this twisted worldview will be yet another reason they get slammed next year.

Democrats becoming hostile to Israel? No. Only to Bibi Netanyahu.

[Hnv1]

Good.

[pbrower2a]

It is not antisemitic or anti-Jewish to:

1. Criticize the policies of Israel. If Jews can get away with that than so can gentiles.
2. Criticize or judge a Jew for amoral or foolish behavior. Judaism does that too.

Bibi Netanyahu is no more the definitive expression of Jewish values than was George W. Bush the definitive expression of Christian values.     

[WVdemocrat]

It is not antisemitic or anti-Jewish to:

1. Criticize the policies of Israel. If Jews can get away with that than so can gentiles.
2. Criticize or judge a Jew for amoral or foolish behavior. Judaism does that too.

Bibi Netanyahu is no more the definitive expression of Jewish values than was George W. Bush the definitive expression of Christian values.     

This. I dislike Netanyahu and his policies, but I don't hate Israel.

[Torie]

" Asked whether Israel is a racist country, 47% of Democrats agreed it is"

Characterizing Israel as a "racist country," is pretty strong language, and goes beyond being estranged from the policies of the current Israeli government (with which I have some disagreements as well).  I for one am estranged from all that caustic and hyperbolic rhetoric out there in the pubic square. It makes sensible policy making just that much more difficult.

By the way the Jewish vote really does matter in PA and Ohio among the swing states, and may have some impact in MI, which is why Dem politicians outside certain constituencies are never going to get anywhere near using such language, and in fact will denounce it.

[JohnRM]

Should this come as any sort of surprise? Israel is the epitome of just about everything the left hates. It is one of the few, if not the last, remaining westernized nations that has continued to preserve its identity as a nation founded on religious faith, with a particular cultural identity, and the willingness to use overwhelming deadly force to protect their way of life. They have convictions and principles. The left has been busy tearing down western civilization in Europe and the United States, but thus far their campaign against Israel has been rather ineffectual.

Worse still, the rightness of the western way of life in Israel stands in stark contrast to the disaster that is, with exception of perhaps Jordan, the rest of the middle east. It shows, on the national scale, what they deny on the individual scale; that there is a definite right and wrong. There are moral truths and moral absolutes. The left hates this fact, because they don't want there to be right and wrong. They want choices and carte blanche to do anything they desire free from the judgment of others, regardless of the cost to society. Israel has walled itself off from the corrupting influence of other societies and ways of life in order to preserve its own.

Of course, that is not vilify the left entirely. Their ideology comes from a place of kindness and, chiefly, a desire to get along with everyone. They are idealists and dreamers that never grew up or still have yet to grow up. The younger generations have an excuse; it is their natural inclination to be idealistic. They have not the life experience necessary to make informed decisions about such things, but the older members should know better. But, there is a reason that they don't know better, because they cannot measure the value of culture due to the simple fact that they have none. They espouse a multicultural society largely because they live in them already in the cities and suburbs, and a multicultural society is, in effect, no culture. When the values of a specific culture go unenforced within your own community, they cease to be values, and values are inherent to culture. The only value that I can discern from multicultural populations is: self-interest.

It is one thing, give them credit for it, that Muslims across the world are aware of. Thus, from the deserts of Saudi Arabia to the ethnic sections of Bradford, England, they resist mixing with other cultures in order to preserve their own. It is also why their culture and civilization will probably outlast ours.

[Hnv1]

Should this come as any sort of surprise? Israel is the epitome of just about everything the left hates. It is one of the few, if not the last, remaining westernized nations that has continued to preserve its identity as a nation founded on religious faith, with a particular cultural identity, and the willingness to use overwhelming deadly force to protect their way of life. They have convictions and principles. The left has been busy tearing down western civilization in Europe and the United States, but thus far their campaign against Israel has been rather ineffectual.

Worse still, the rightness of the western way of life in Israel stands in stark contrast to the disaster that is, with exception of perhaps Jordan, the rest of the middle east. It shows, on the national scale, what they deny on the individual scale; that there is a definite right and wrong. There are moral truths and moral absolutes. The left hates this fact, because they don't want there to be right and wrong. They want choices and carte blanche to do anything they desire free from the judgment of others, regardless of the cost to society. Israel has walled itself off from the corrupting influence of other societies and ways of life in order to preserve its own.

Of course, that is not vilify the left entirely. Their ideology comes from a place of kindness and, chiefly, a desire to get along with everyone. They are idealists and dreamers that never grew up or still have yet to grow up. The younger generations have an excuse; it is their natural inclination to be idealistic. They have not the life experience necessary to make informed decisions about such things, but the older members should know better. But, there is a reason that they don't know better, because they cannot measure the value of culture due to the simple fact that they have none. They espouse a multicultural society largely because they live in them already in the cities and suburbs, and a multicultural society is, in effect, no culture. When the values of a specific culture go unenforced within your own community, they cease to be values, and values are inherent to culture. The only value that I can discern from multicultural populations is: self-interest.

It is one thing, give them credit for it, that Muslims across the world are aware of. Thus, from the deserts of Saudi Arabia to the ethnic sections of Bradford, England, they resist mixing with other cultures in order to preserve their own. It is also why their culture and civilization will probably outlast ours.

Founded on religious faith? where do you learn you history from? Fox?

[WVdemocrat]

Should this come as any sort of surprise? Israel is the epitome of just about everything the left hates. It is one of the few, if not the last, remaining westernized nations that has continued to preserve its identity as a nation founded on religious faith, with a particular cultural identity, and the willingness to use overwhelming deadly force to protect their way of life. They have convictions and principles. The left has been busy tearing down western civilization in Europe and the United States, but thus far their campaign against Israel has been rather ineffectual.

Worse still, the rightness of the western way of life in Israel stands in stark contrast to the disaster that is, with exception of perhaps Jordan, the rest of the middle east. It shows, on the national scale, what they deny on the individual scale; that there is a definite right and wrong. There are moral truths and moral absolutes. The left hates this fact, because they don't want there to be right and wrong. They want choices and carte blanche to do anything they desire free from the judgment of others, regardless of the cost to society. Israel has walled itself off from the corrupting influence of other societies and ways of life in order to preserve its own.

Of course, that is not vilify the left entirely. Their ideology comes from a place of kindness and, chiefly, a desire to get along with everyone. They are idealists and dreamers that never grew up or still have yet to grow up. The younger generations have an excuse; it is their natural inclination to be idealistic. They have not the life experience necessary to make informed decisions about such things, but the older members should know better. But, there is a reason that they don't know better, because they cannot measure the value of culture due to the simple fact that they have none. They espouse a multicultural society largely because they live in them already in the cities and suburbs, and a multicultural society is, in effect, no culture. When the values of a specific culture go unenforced within your own community, they cease to be values, and values are inherent to culture. The only value that I can discern from multicultural populations is: self-interest.

It is one thing, give them credit for it, that Muslims across the world are aware of. Thus, from the deserts of Saudi Arabia to the ethnic sections of Bradford, England, they resist mixing with other cultures in order to preserve their own. It is also why their culture and civilization will probably outlast ours.

Too late.

Was this a serious post? This came off as a rambling, vicious assault on the left. Seriously, if you have nothing to contribute to the discussion and are just going to make personal character attacks on every single leftist in existence, then you can just go away.

[JohnRM]

Too late.

Was this a serious post? This came off as a rambling, vicious assault on the left. Seriously, if you have nothing to contribute to the discussion and are just going to make personal character attacks on every single leftist in existence, then you can just go away.

It was intended to explain the cause for the lack of support of Israel by the left. I feel that it was well-done, thoughtful, and; despite your outrage for calling a spade a spade; accurate.

Of course, if disagreement troubles you, you could always just read the comics or perhaps write a book about your struggles and convince everyone to follow your example.

Also, for the record, in order for something to be 'personal', it has to be directed at a specific person, per the definition of the word. Clearly, my treatise was not.

[traininthedistance]

Too late.

Was this a serious post? This came off as a rambling, vicious assault on the left. Seriously, if you have nothing to contribute to the discussion and are just going to make personal character attacks on every single leftist in existence, then you can just go away.

It was intended to explain the cause for the lack of support of Israel by the left. I feel that it was well-done, thoughtful, and; despite your outrage for calling a spade a spade; accurate.

Of course, if disagreement troubles you, you could always just read the comics or perhaps write a book about your struggles and convince everyone to follow your example.

Also, for the record, in order for something to be 'personal', it has to be directed at a specific person, per the definition of the word. Clearly, my treatise was not.

It was anything but accurate, that's for sure.

As Hnv alluded to, Israel was actually founded by socialist atheists, as a haven from racist persecution in Europe.  I absolutely support the idea of Israel but any informed and empathetic understanding of their history and situation surely recognizes that the current Likud government is betraying their core human values.

By the way, you know what else is a good way to fight racist persecution?  That dreaded multiculturalism you seem to fear and misunderstand so hyperbolically.