NE1: Patchwork Amendment

[The Other Castro]

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Article II, Clause 5 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article II, Clause 13 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article III, Clause 2 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article III, Clause 3 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article III, Clause 6 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article III, Clause 9 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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[The Other Castro]

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Article V, Clause 2 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article V, Clause 3 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article VII, Clause 2 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article VIII of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Clause 7a of the Cabinet Amendment shall be amended to read:

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This debate period will last for no less than 72 hours. The Speaker may extend debate upon written request.

Rep. evergreen, you have 36 hours to advocate for your bill.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

started with trying to fix the clusterfck that is Article VII, Clause 2, and tacked on a bunch of other grammatical and logical fixes. there's no huge substantive changes.

[cinyc]

Specifying Eastern Standard Time technically means that our elections start at 1AM EDT in the summer.  That hasn't been what we've been actually doing, but probably is what we should have been doing.

The proponent of the amendment needs to offer a statement in support that is subject to debate.  Representatives in opposition can offer a statement in opposition.  These statements are subject to debate, and will be put in the Constitutional Amendment Explanation Thread before the Amendment is voted on by the voters.

I may have something substantive to say about the proposed amendment.  I have to check the federal constitution, but I think they use the Thursday preceding the penultimate Friday language you are deleting.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

I may have something substantive to say about the proposed amendment.  I have to check the federal constitution, but I think they use the Thursday preceding the penultimate Friday language you are deleting.

regional elections don't necessarily have to be at the exact same time as federal elections

and i think it's better to have a single specific time rather than a time period of over a day tbh

[cinyc]

I may have something substantive to say about the proposed amendment.  I have to check the federal constitution, but I think they use the Thursday preceding the penultimate Friday language you are deleting.

regional elections don't necessarily have to be at the exact same time as federal elections

and i think it's better to have a single specific time rather than a time period of over a day tbh

We in the Northeast made a conscious decisions years ago to hold our elections at the same time as the Federal elections in order to maximize turnout.  There is no reason to change that.

The problem with using 12:00:00AM EST Friday is that it is potentially ambiguous.  Which is the correct 12:00AM?  The one that starts Friday or the one that ends Friday.  The time period in the current constitution clarifies that it is the one that starts Friday.  I see no reason to change it.

I also think you're making a substantive change to how federal amendments are voted upon.  Instead of putting them to the voters ASAP, your amendment to Article VIII arguably causes them to be placed before the voters only once a month.  Why?

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I may have something substantive to say about the proposed amendment.  I have to check the federal constitution, but I think they use the Thursday preceding the penultimate Friday language you are deleting.

regional elections don't necessarily have to be at the exact same time as federal elections

and i think it's better to have a single specific time rather than a time period of over a day tbh

We in the Northeast made a conscious decisions years ago to hold our elections at the same time as the Federal elections in order to maximize turnout.  There is no reason to change that.

The problem with using 12:00:00AM EST Friday is that it is potentially ambiguous.  Which is the correct 12:00AM?  The one that starts Friday or the one that ends Friday.  The time period in the current constitution clarifies that it is the one that starts Friday.  I see no reason to change it.

I also think you're making a substantive change to how federal amendments are voted upon.  Instead of putting them to the voters ASAP, your amendment to Article VIII arguably causes them to be placed before the voters only once a month.  Why?

12:00:00 AM is the first second of the day.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

We in the Northeast made a conscious decisions years ago to hold our elections at the same time as the Federal elections in order to maximize turnout.  There is no reason to change that.

it should be mentioned, of course, that in practice, federal elections always open at exactly 12:00:00am est friday anyway.

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i would argue, actually, that "midnight eastern standard time" is more ambiguous than "12:00:00am est".

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allows them to be included in regular elections, which would definitely increase turnout.

[DemPGH]

One of the cool things that we did when I helped redo the Pac Const. a year and a half or so ago was that we said that elections may begin at any time on a certain day and remain open for X-number of hours. It helped avoid the unnecessary wordiness like 'penultimate Friday before the solstice unless it's the summer or midnight on the second . . .' and what second should it open and all that. I just thought the way we set it up worked really well if you're trying to understand when you should open a booth and not get confused and so on.

But yeah, cool, I'll support any clarification or simplification attempt.

[pikachu]

Since it's been 72+ hours, I request that temporary Speaker.RGN (the longest serving non-LG Assemblyman) to extend debate.

[cinyc]

Again, under the SOAP, this amendment needs a statement in favor explaining the amendment by the sponsor, which is subject to debate, and must be restated by the Speaker at the time of the vote.

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

Again, under the SOAP, this amendment needs a statement in favor explaining the amendment by the sponsor, which is subject to debate, and must be restated by the Speaker at the time of the vote.

So? What should I do now? Move this to a vote or restart?

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

The debate is extended for another 36 hours as per request.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Again, under the SOAP, this amendment needs a statement in favor explaining the amendment by the sponsor, which is subject to debate, and must be restated by the Speaker at the time of the vote.

could you tell us where exactly it says that? i don't see it.

regardless:
this amendment is necessary to fix some glaring grammatical and logical issues in the constitution, especially article vii clause 2, and to synchronise the various types of northeast elections.

[Poirot]

Giving some context and information to voters comes from the constitutional amendment explanation act adopted earlier this year.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=207593.0

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Giving some context and information to voters comes from the constitutional amendment explanation act adopted earlier this year.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=207593.0

thank you. i have added this to the soap article on the wiki.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

we will now proceed to a final vote.

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Article II, Clause 5 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article II, Clause 13 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article III, Clause 2 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article III, Clause 3 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article III, Clause 6 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article III, Clause 9 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

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Article V, Clause 2 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article V, Clause 3 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article VII, Clause 2 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Article VIII of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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Clause 7a of the Cabinet Amendment shall be amended to read:

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this amendment is necessary to fix some glaring grammatical and logical issues in the constitution, especially article vii clause 2, and to synchronise the various types of northeast elections.

representatives have 48 hours to vote.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

aye

[pikachu]

aye

[DemPGH]

Yes.

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

AYE

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

with all four representatives voting in favor, this has passed the assembly and should be presented to The People for approval.