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« on: July 06, 2015, 12:20:36 PM »

Team Clinton ‘worried’ about Bernie Sanders campaign

Hillary Clinton’s campaign is “worried” about Bernie Sanders, whom a top Clinton aide described as a “serious force” in the 2016 battle.

“We are worried about him, sure. He will be a serious force for the campaign, and I don’t think that will diminish,” Clinton Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri said Monday in an interview with MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

“It's to be expected that Sanders would do well in a Democratic primary, and he’s going to do well in Iowa in the Democratic caucus.”

Sanders, an independent senator from Vermont, has emerged as Clinton's main foil in the Democratic primary.

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Palmieri said Sanders's rise won't prompt a shift toward negative campaigning and that Sanders's strong crowds only underscore the differences in the campaigning tactics between the two campaigns.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/246910-team-clinton-worried-about-sanders
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2015, 12:23:45 PM »

Tender you need to see a doctor ASAP, this kind of behavior is NOT healthy.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2015, 12:26:30 PM »

Tender you need to see a doctor ASAP, this kind of behavior is NOT healthy.

I'm only posting part of an article from a respected news site ... what exactly is wrong with that ?
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2015, 12:53:11 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2015, 01:01:34 PM »

I read a politico article saying the exact opposite.

Remember how much everyone hyped Bill Bradley against the ageing neoliberal warmonger Al Gore

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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2015, 01:10:41 PM »

I read a politico article saying the exact opposite.

Remember how much everyone hyped Bill Bradley against the ageing neoliberal warmonger Al Gore



Was there a war and peace element to Bradley's campaign? I legitimately don't remember. He opposed the war on Serbia?
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2015, 01:39:51 PM »

Tender you need to see a doctor ASAP, this kind of behavior is NOT healthy.

I'm only posting part of an article from a respected news site ... what exactly is wrong with that ?

Isn't it obvious that supporting anyone other than Hillary is insane?
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2015, 01:51:56 PM »

My good old man Jon Huntsman was also feared as a threat by the Democratic establishment. Unfortunately that did not mean he actually materialized as one. I suspect it will be the same for Comrade Bernie.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2015, 01:52:05 PM »

Comes as Politico saying they're not flummoxed in the least.

Looks like Rodham's team is a little shaky
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2015, 02:55:34 PM »

The only thing the campaign is worried about is only winning 45 states instead of 50.
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2015, 03:57:00 PM »

The media needs SOMEthing to talk about in the other race.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2015, 04:48:35 PM »

They're probably just saying that in public to not look too overconfident.
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2015, 05:48:23 PM »

2016 Democratic Primary Map:



Red: Bernie Sanders
Blue: Hillary Clinton
Yellow: Jim Webb
Green: Martin O'Malley
White: Lincoln Chafee
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2015, 05:57:10 PM »

Whatever happened to IceSpear? I'm actually starting to miss him. It's like he dropped off the face of the earth.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2015, 05:59:29 PM »

Whatever happened to IceSpear? I'm actually starting to miss him. It's like he dropped off the face of the earth.

I think he got sent to some reeducation camps to unlearn the inevitable meme.
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2015, 06:03:08 PM »

They'd be dumb not to be at all concerned.
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2015, 08:13:39 PM »

Sanders, on a fundamental level, cannot be taken seriously as a "real threat". He preaches the benefits of a Nordic-style welfare state and heavy taxes on the wealthy. This sounds great, but Nordic-style welfare states can't actually function on "soaking the rich" alone (not to mention that they also need small, homogenous societies) All Hillary has to do is say that Sanders' is either planning to "raise taxes on working families" to upwards of 40% or simply talking fantasy.
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2015, 08:16:03 PM »
« Edited: July 06, 2015, 08:18:44 PM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

Sanders, on a fundamental level, cannot be taken seriously as a "real threat". He preaches the benefits of a Nordic-style welfare state and heavy taxes on the wealthy. This sounds great, but Nordic-style welfare states can't actually function on "soaking the rich" alone (not to mention that they also need small, homogenous societies) All Hillary has to do is say that Sanders' is either planning to "raise taxes on working families" to upwards of 40% or simply talking fantasy.

10% of those making less than $100,000 a year pay more than 49% in taxes.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jan/25/tammy-baldwin/middle-class-pays-higher-tax-rates-millionaires-se/

Anyways, if you raise income taxes on the rich, particularly capital gains, close loopholes that benefit the rich, and cut the military spending, you should have a lot to work with.
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2015, 09:32:48 PM »

Sanders, on a fundamental level, cannot be taken seriously as a "real threat". He preaches the benefits of a Nordic-style welfare state and heavy taxes on the wealthy. This sounds great, but Nordic-style welfare states can't actually function on "soaking the rich" alone (not to mention that they also need small, homogenous societies) All Hillary has to do is say that Sanders' is either planning to "raise taxes on working families" to upwards of 40% or simply talking fantasy.

This repeated refrain that social democracies need "small societies" is quite infuriating. Infuriating because it makes no sense and because so few people point out the logical fallacy of the whole thing. Why do you need a small state? As long as the tax base increases with the size of the population (which, of course it will because they're the same thing), you will be fine. It's not as if anyone is proposing an American sized social democracy but only collecting taxes from the equivalent of the Swedish population.
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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2015, 10:47:36 PM »

He will no doubt mobilize a force large enough to press Hillary on certain issues. I think the Hillary campaign is more concerned about that than the idea that he'll actually be nominated.
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2015, 11:03:08 PM »

Sanders, on a fundamental level, cannot be taken seriously as a "real threat". He preaches the benefits of a Nordic-style welfare state and heavy taxes on the wealthy. This sounds great, but Nordic-style welfare states can't actually function on "soaking the rich" alone (not to mention that they also need small, homogenous societies) All Hillary has to do is say that Sanders' is either planning to "raise taxes on working families" to upwards of 40% or simply talking fantasy.

This repeated refrain that social democracies need "small societies" is quite infuriating. Infuriating because it makes no sense and because so few people point out the logical fallacy of the whole thing. Why do you need a small state? As long as the tax base increases with the size of the population (which, of course it will because they're the same thing), you will be fine. It's not as if anyone is proposing an American sized social democracy but only collecting taxes from the equivalent of the Swedish population.

It is one thing to merely collect the necessary funds. It is another entirely to spend them effectively. A comprehensive welfare state- the sort seen in Sweden and Denmark- requires a centralized administrative state able to implement programs on a nationwide basis in a uniform fashion. This is obviously easier in a smaller country than it is in a large one; it becomes more difficult to manage with increases in scale. It is, additionally--and this is an assertion supported by the quantitative literature on social welfare-- also easier in a unitary state than it is a federal one: federalism constrains the German "social state" even though the relevant powers mostly belong to the central government.

A large, federal state is thus particularly ill-suited to the welfare state model; we actually spend more on social welfare than Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, and barely more than Switzerland or the United Kingdom, all of which are not dissimilar countries-- many federal, even-- generally regarded as having social welfare systems far more comprehensive than our own. In other words, we already get less out of each dollar we spend on social welfare than that dollar would in other countries. The administrative apparatus needed to implement a "Nordic-style welfare state" would be absolutely gargantuan, and far more costly to keep at a similar level of effectiveness, to say nothing of efficiency.

Logistical constraints aside, there is also a social aspect to feasibility. People, generally speaking, tend to have greater faith in local governments than they do in a national government-- the belief that "the mountains are high and the emperor is far away" seen in capacity-challenged states aside. They also tend to have greater faith in a government that is seen as sharing their interests; both are easier, in a smaller, homogenous country than a large, heterogenous one.

This trend is not only attested to by the comparative political literature, but can been seen domestically between the states. Trust in government-- all else equal-- diminishes as the a state grows larger and the central government grows more distant; as trust diminishes, so does the center's capacity to keep institutions effective and efficient, its ability to ensure its rules are abided by, and its ability to introduce new policies. Small size was not only why Lee Kuan Yew was able to micromanage Singapore, but was also why people trusted him doing so.

All this works to make a potential welfare state a more difficult and more costly proposition in a large country like the United States than it would a small, Scandinavian-sized country. There is no reason for such a claim to be considered infuriating, at least because of fallaciousness.
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2015, 11:31:22 PM »

Whatever happened to IceSpear? I'm actually starting to miss him. It's like he dropped off the face of the earth.

He fell in love with a Sanders supporter who showed him the light.
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2015, 06:29:59 AM »
« Edited: July 07, 2015, 06:31:38 PM by Eraserhead »

Anyway, part of this is about setting expectations. The Clinton people know that there's a good chance that she could perform poorly in Iowa and New Hampshire so look for them to start downplaying those states unless they became certain about achieving strong victories in both of them.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2015, 02:42:34 PM »

It also looks good for Clinton to be seen to be "defeating" a primary "challenger" rather than running unopposed. It keeps some of the press' eyes on the Democratic Primary when otherwise all they'd be doing is talking about Jeb, Rand, Marco, Scott, Donald, and the gang until May of next year. (A competitive primary is news, Hillary Clinton stomping Martin O'Malley by 80 points wouldn't be news).
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2015, 04:35:06 PM »

Lol

Sanders doesn't appeal to anyone except for upper-middle class/rich white people.
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