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WVdemocrat
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« on: July 06, 2015, 05:57:10 PM »

Whatever happened to IceSpear? I'm actually starting to miss him. It's like he dropped off the face of the earth.
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WVdemocrat
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2015, 05:11:51 PM »

Jesus Christ, could all of the Hillary supporters for one second stop being so damn self-righteous and sanctimonious. If they like Bernie's message better, who are you to tell them they can't vote for him?

It's fine to support Bernie. They shouldn't not vote for him based on convoluted and contrived hypotheticals. Us here on Atlas know better than anyone else that elections are complex organisms (though we sometimes forget they are, this forum has swooned for a lot of paper tigers), so you can't definitively arbitrate, months out from Election Day, that Bernie can't win. Who knows? Right now, you say he's an old unelectable socialist, when 16 months, 4 debates, hundreds of ads, and thousands of campaign stops later, he might win the election.

What I'm saying is that the Hillary supporters don't need to vilify and demonize the Bernie supporters just because they happen to like his message more. Keep in mind, I'm not a Bernie supporter, I'm in the bag for O'Malley, so it's not like this is some biased rant.
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WVdemocrat
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2015, 09:08:12 PM »

So "the debate" is more important than 17 million people having health insurance?

Yes, that's how these people really think. They are wildly unrealistic and living an a bubble of their own.

Voting for Bernie Sanders is fine and well, but actually nominating him would be an unmitigated disaster and it's foolish to deny it. It's hardly a "convoluted and contrived hypothetical."

Of course it is. You're suggesting that these people are selfish jackasses (your words, not mine) because they're supporting someone who you think would not win. You're fearmongering, which is no better than what Republicans do.

I'm not trying to be a surrogate for Bernie here, I'm trying to be a surrogate for rational thought. Bernie speaks to issues which many candidates don't speak to (or, they don't speak to them as forcefully as he does). You're assuming that people won't watch the debates, won't listen to what he has to say, and will simply hear "COMMUNIST!!" and vote Republican. Given, some people will, but those people were never going to vote Democrat anyway. Those types of people probably think Obama is a socialist. You can't write off his chances as the nominee for a major political party. In today's America, you are guaranteed 45% of the vote if you run as a Republican or Democrat, and his message is one which you hear from no other candidate.

Again, I want to make clear that I'm an O'Malley supporter, not a Bernie supporter. I'm trying to return rational thought to this discussion.
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