Clinton campaign worried about Sanders, believe he's a real threat

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I've considered this "risk" and I'm willing to take it. What exactly are you worried an extra conservative justice will do? Republicans have had multiple chances to shift the pro-life/pro-choice balance but they never have the balls and I doubt they grow them. With corporate stuff, Hillary appointments would be just as bad the Republicans.

Really?

Next session, the supreme court is going to take up more abortion related cases, on whether the law in Texas are constitutional or not.

That could just be the beginning.  Of course, that's really only one issue.  The Obamacare rulings show just how important the supreme court can be, years of fighting for universal healthcare could have all been for nothing.  There was also that case where the Supreme court invalidated parts of the Voting Rights Act.  I'm not going to bother listing every possible case, but there are plenty of important issues that could reach the Supreme Court, environmental regulations, gun control, the death penalty.

By the way, both of the justices appointed by Bill Clinton opposed the citizen's united ruling.

But frankly, the supreme court is only the tip of the iceberg.

The EPA has greatly expanded regulations during the Obama administration, a Republican would roll those back. Obama's immigration executive order could be rolled back, depending on which Republican is in office.

We would likely go back to a neo-conservative foreign policy.  (and no, Clinton is not even close to most Republicans on foreign policy.)

Perhaps the most terrifying (for me), is the possibility that Republicans could eliminate the filibuster, giving them complete free reign over all 3 branches of government.  Can you imagine the havoc they could wreak?  Obamacare would be repealed and banking regulations would be gutted, and that would be the beginning.  It would be every liberal's worst nightmare.

Even if the filibuster isn't repealed Republicans could get 60 seats in the Senate in 2018 if the Democrats don't make gains in 2016 (which we won't if Sanders is the nominee).

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ACA is a garbage bill. Not going to miss a chance to move the national political debate to the left for the sake of saving it.

So do you think Republicans would be well served by 'moving the debate to the right' and nominating Ted Cruz? 

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ACA is a garbage bill. Not going to miss a chance to move the national political debate to the left for the sake of saving it.

So do you think Republicans would be well served by 'moving the debate to the right' and nominating Ted Cruz? 

No. Of course not. Are you trying to paint me as being a hypocrite because I'm a left-winger and I want left-wing stuff to happen and not right-wing stuff? So basically anyone with views is a hypocrite? The only non-hypocrites are Moderate Heroes?

You misunderstood me.

I didn't ask if you wanted them to nominate Cruz.  I asked if you thought nominating Cruz would be a good strategy for Republicans.  Its possible to say 'conservatives should do this if they want to do well', and then say 'but I don't want them to do that'.

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ACA is a garbage bill. Not going to miss a chance to move the national political debate to the left for the sake of saving it.

So do you think Republicans would be well served by 'moving the debate to the right' and nominating Ted Cruz? 

No. Of course not. Are you trying to paint me as being a hypocrite because I'm a left-winger and I want left-wing stuff to happen and not right-wing stuff? So basically anyone with views is a hypocrite? The only non-hypocrites are Moderate Heroes?

You misunderstood me.

I didn't ask if you wanted them to nominate Cruz.  I asked if you thought nominating Cruz would be a good strategy for Republicans.  Its possible to say 'conservatives should do this if they want to do well', and then say 'but I don't want them to do that'.

No because the political debate in the United States is already very much to the right. If Sanders succeeded in moving it to the left, we would probably still be one of the more conservative countries in the industrialized world. There's not much room for the Republicans to go right-ward but there's plenty for the Dems to go left-ward.

Eh, imo there's plenty of room to move rightward.  Historically, industrialized nations have drifted far further right than the U.S. is now (the big example is Nazi Germany.)  When you get further right than the Tea Party types, you start getting into the white supremacist types and then full blown neo-nazis.  These far right ideologies are obviously horrible, but they exist on the left-right spectrum and could theoretically be made more mainstream (at least within the Republican party) by a Cruz candidacy.

 

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ACA is a garbage bill. Not going to miss a chance to move the national political debate to the left for the sake of saving it.

So do you think Republicans would be well served by 'moving the debate to the right' and nominating Ted Cruz? 

No. Of course not. Are you trying to paint me as being a hypocrite because I'm a left-winger and I want left-wing stuff to happen and not right-wing stuff? So basically anyone with views is a hypocrite? The only non-hypocrites are Moderate Heroes?

You misunderstood me.

I didn't ask if you wanted them to nominate Cruz.  I asked if you thought nominating Cruz would be a good strategy for Republicans.  Its possible to say 'conservatives should do this if they want to do well', and then say 'but I don't want them to do that'.

No because the political debate in the United States is already very much to the right. If Sanders succeeded in moving it to the left, we would probably still be one of the more conservative countries in the industrialized world. There's not much room for the Republicans to go right-ward but there's plenty for the Dems to go left-ward.

Eh, imo there's plenty of room to move rightward.  Historically, industrialized nations have drifted far further right than the U.S. is now (the big example is Nazi Germany.)  When you get further right than the Tea Party types, you start getting into the white supremacist types and then full blown neo-nazis.  These far right ideologies are obviously horrible, but they exist on the left-right spectrum and could theoretically be made more mainstream (at least within the Republican party) by a Cruz candidacy.

 

Ignoring the fact that we're going way off topic for this thread, no, there is no chance Nazism could become mainstream in America. No, Ted Cruz, as horrible as he is, is not a Nazi.

WTF

I never said that Ted Cruz was a nazi, I was just giving examples of right wing ideologies further right than is mainstream in the U.S.

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It's not that I think that Bernie Sanders' message can't win.  I happen to agree with his message, and perhaps with the right messenger, it could win.  My problem is with Bernie Sanders himself, I don't think he can win.

He's not charismatic.  He's an old, white male in a young, diverse party.  He labels himself as a socialist (which he isn't), when there's no need to.  Sanders won't bring about a sea change in American politics, he's not the right politician to do so.