Eric Holder -Justice Dept Could Strike Deal with Edward Snowden

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Good news, I guess? He needs to be punished in some manner, even though what he did was right.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Why should he be punished at all if what he did was right?

If anything he should be praised. We need more people to be willing to speak out.

Chelsea Manning took her punishment. That is the point of martyrdom-that the victim suffer for the greater good.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Why should he be punished at all if what he did was right?

If anything he should be praised. We need more people to be willing to speak out.

Chelsea Manning took her punishment. That is the point of martyrdom-that the victim suffer for the greater good.

What kind of logic is that? You want people who did nothing wrong to be unjustly punished just so that they can then claim to be martyrs? Isn't the world better if we don't actively try to create martyrs?

He did break a law. You can't pick and choose what laws to follow, whether they are right or wrong. Should I not buy health insurance because I oppose Obamacare?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Why should he be punished at all if what he did was right?

If anything he should be praised. We need more people to be willing to speak out.

Chelsea Manning took her punishment. That is the point of martyrdom-that the victim suffer for the greater good.

What kind of logic is that? You want people who did nothing wrong to be unjustly punished just so that they can then claim to be martyrs? Isn't the world better if we don't actively try to create martyrs?

He did break a law. You can't pick and choose what laws to follow, whether they are right or wrong. Should I not buy health insurance because I oppose Obamacare?

If a law is morally wrong and some people are being prosecuted and jailed under it, the law in question should be immediately repealed and the people pardoned. I don't support making individual exceptions, but I fully support fixing what's broken.

It should be immediately repealed and Snowden should eventually pardoned, but neither are going to happen. If Snowden returns to the United States, he should face charges and take his medicine like a man. If he stays in Russia, he can wait it out and eventually be pardoned. But until the law is repealed, they are still in effect.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Why should he be punished at all if what he did was right?

If anything he should be praised. We need more people to be willing to speak out.

Chelsea Manning took her punishment. That is the point of martyrdom-that the victim suffer for the greater good.

What kind of logic is that? You want people who did nothing wrong to be unjustly punished just so that they can then claim to be martyrs? Isn't the world better if we don't actively try to create martyrs?

He did break a law. You can't pick and choose what laws to follow, whether they are right or wrong. Should I not buy health insurance because I oppose Obamacare?

If a law is morally wrong and some people are being prosecuted and jailed under it, the law in question should be immediately repealed and the people pardoned. I don't support making individual exceptions, but I fully support fixing what's broken.

It should be immediately repealed and Snowden should eventually pardoned, but neither are going to happen. If Snowden returns to the United States, he should face charges and take his medicine like a man. If he stays in Russia, he can wait it out and eventually be pardoned. But until the law is repealed, they are still in effect.

I agree that would be symbolically the best thing to do, but honestly, if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't want to rot in jail for breaking an immoral law. I would feel horrible about becoming Putin's puppet, but I would still swallow my pride to retain some freedom. Not everyone can be a hero.

I don't disagree with that statement. I'd probably stay in Russia too.

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Snowden is not MLK or Nelson Mandela, far from it, because they didn't flee their respective countries and actually went to jail in their fights. Whether or not you think the public was entitled to see the information he leaked is not the point, the point is that leaking classified information is illegal and there are no exceptions based on what the data is. I think a negotiated plea deal is more than fair.

I honestly can't believe I am agreeing with Dr.Scholl, but yes, you are dead on the money.

Why should he be punished at all if what he did was right?

If anything he should be praised. We need more people to be willing to speak out.

Chelsea Manning took her punishment. That is the point of martyrdom-that the victim suffer for the greater good.

What kind of logic is that? You want people who did nothing wrong to be unjustly punished just so that they can then claim to be martyrs? Isn't the world better if we don't actively try to create martyrs?

He did break a law. You can't pick and choose what laws to follow, whether they are right or wrong. Should I not buy health insurance because I oppose Obamacare?

Injust laws should not be followed, no. That's why people like MLK and Nelson Mandela are universally recognized as heroes.

Your position here is bizarre on a Wulfric-level. Injustice should exist so that injustice can be fought?

Of course, I believe in a society based on law and order and peaceful, non agressive resolutions to injustice. You are a fifteen year old who has a fetish for bloodshed. Come back and talk about disturbing the peace for "muh justice" when you learn to shoot a gun or do something actually revolutionary, my dear Comrade.