Prediction: will Iran be a nuclear power in the next ten years?

[Bacon King]

Giving up a built nuke would be too humiliating to agree to.

South Africa managed to do it without 'humiliation'.

They were also allies with the USA in a world where basically everyone else hated them. They gave up the nukes a year after they reached an agreement with Cuba to stop sending troops to Namibia.

South Africa doesn't really compare to Iran so much as it compares to Israel in a world where they somehow manage to use diplomacy to be 100% safe from their neighbors

[Bacon King]

South Africa doesn't really compare to Iran so much as it compares to Israel in a world where they somehow manage to use diplomacy to be 100% safe from their neighbors

wtf?

In what world do you live in where Israel is 100% safe from it's neighbors?  And diplomacy is what keeps it that way?!  HA!

Unless I'm missing an angle or it's a joke.....I don't know.

You misunderstood me, I'm not trying to compare Israel with Apartheid South Africa at all.  I was just trying to say that South Africa was a poor comparison for an Iran that gave up its nukes, and describing a hypothetical situation that would better fit such a comparison.

It's still a bizarre argument as South Africa has never been at threat from any of its neighbours.

Maybe "at threat" is too strongly phrased but I'm mostly thinking of the Angolan Bush War and Namibia's War of Independence. South Africa gave up its nukes in the year after those conflicts ended