ACP/NBC:Clinton polls like Obama 2012, geographically (cities/rural/'burbs/etc.)
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« on: July 12, 2015, 11:56:50 AM »
« edited: July 12, 2015, 12:01:32 PM by Clarko95 »

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/why-gop-should-worry-about-hillary-clintons-poll-numbers-n389946

Basically, Hillary is polling like Obama in 2012 when dividing the country up into urban areas, suburbs, exurbs, and rural communities. Really nothing new.

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2012 Election
Big Cities: 65% Obama - 34% Romney = 99%
Urban Suburbs: 57% Obama - 41% Romney = 98%
Exurbs: 40% Obama - 57% Romney = 97%
Rural Communities: 42% Obama - 55% Romney = 97%

Clinton vs. Bush 2015
Big Cities: 67% Clinton - 27% Bush = 94%
Urban Suburbs: 56% Clinton - 33% Bush = 89%
Exurbs: 37% Clinton - 51% Bush = 88%
Rural: 36% Clinton - 53% Bush = 89%

Clinton vs. Rubio 2015
Big Cities: 68% Clinton - 25% Rubio = 93%
Urban Suburbs: 54% Clinton - 37% Rubio = 91%
Exurbs: 35% Clinton - 51% Rubio = 86%
Rural: 40% Clinton - 51% Rubio = 91%

Clinton vs. Walker 2015
Big Cities: 67% Clinton - 21% Walker = 88%
Urban Suburbs: 60% Clinton - 30% Walker = 90%
Exurbs: 37% Clinton - 50% Walker = 87%
Rural: 39% Clinton - 47% Walker = 86%

TL;DR:

Hillary outdoes Obama 2012 against Bush in cities, underperforms slightly in suburbs/exurbs/rural areas. Bush underperforms Romney everywhere.

Hillary outdoes Obama 2012 against Rubio in cities, slightly underperforms everywhere else. Rubio underperforms Romney everywhere.

Hillary outdoes Obama 2012 against Walker in cities and urban suburbs, slightly underperforms in exurbs and rural areas. Walker significantly underperforms Romney almost everywhere.
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2015, 12:15:41 PM »

I would be very interested in the same numbers for Sanders as he gets more name recognition. After the first couple of debates would be a good time to measure this, I think.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2015, 04:31:37 PM »

Yes it could be bad news for Republicans... If she wins the nomination.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2015, 05:55:48 PM »

It looks like Obama 2012 map all over again, with a strong possibility of a pickup on NC. The 50 state strategy has worked.☺
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2015, 09:59:08 PM »

It's people voting for Obama's third term. His approval is ok and if it stays that way, plus the economy stays the same/improves, Hillary wins.

Her margin will be about 3% and she will win all Obama 2012 states except, maybe, Florida and Colorado. She won’t win any new states.
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2015, 10:01:55 PM »

Yes it could be bad news for Republicans... If she wins the nomination.

She will be the nominee, don't worry.

I'll go on record as saying this, as a loyal Republican. Republicans can either vote for Bush, vote for Rubio, or vote to concede the election to Hillary Clinton. She could beat any of the GOP candidates except Rubio or Bush, and Bush would get more votes than Rubio.
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2015, 12:07:21 AM »

It's important to remember that comparing finalized factual statistics to strategical, hypothetical, survey--participant-size dependent statistics 15+ months out is a horrible, horrible idea when looking for accuracy. A sharp '16 GOP ticket will look just as good, if not better, as Romney's numbers.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2015, 09:54:17 AM »

"Clinton cant beat Jeb," she'll just remind voters of the Economic collapse of the Dubya Bush years.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2015, 11:08:16 AM »

Wasn't there a topic a few months ago asking which were more Republican: Exurbs or Rural Communities?  I guess we got our answer (Exurbs).
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2015, 02:20:39 PM »

Wasn't there a topic a few months ago asking which were more Republican: Exurbs or Rural Communities?  I guess we got our answer (Exurbs).

Yeah, exurbs' Republicanism stands out most in states like Minnesota and Wisconsin where there is residual rural liberalism.   In most areas though, you can't tell the difference between an exurb and a rural area looking at a county map, so people tend to default to saying the rural areas are the most GOP.  I would posit that the relatively low population density and recently-rural character of exurbs, coupled with increased affluence relative to the rural areas, make these spots hotbeds of conservatism.
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2015, 10:12:35 PM »

If you read methodology at the above link carefully, the four categories listed don't cover the whole country; there's some odd sampling of counties in certain regions going on. So not all rural and exurban counties, in the intuitive sense, are included under "rural" and "exurban", and I'd be cautious about concluding that this really shows one to be more Republican than the other.
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