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« on: July 13, 2015, 12:21:09 PM »

could the winning ticket be, ironically (for me personally at least), an unabashed theological argument from free will?  that God endows all of us with free will that does not end at the point of actively choosing death if that's what we choose to do?
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2015, 10:02:46 PM »

No. Free will doesn't mean we ought to support or oppose any particular action, only that we can choose it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2015, 10:13:13 PM »

Catholic moral teaching and theology makes a big distinction between right to die and euthanasia, so it is good not to conflate the two and separate them out. It in many ways comes down to what is "natural" and extraordinary means. Below is more context.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Ann_Quinlan
An old theology and Latin teacher of mine was involved in a frequently cited NY case
http://www.nytimes.com/1981/04/03/nyregion/right-to-die-decision-news-analysis.html?pagewanted=1
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2015, 07:50:54 AM »

No. Free will doesn't mean we ought to support or oppose any particular action, only that we can choose it.

right -- so the classic, "I personally oppose you euthanizing yourself, but you have the choice and I won't attempt to put the state apparatus in your way here."  that's all I'm looking for
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2015, 07:51:38 AM »

Catholic moral teaching and theology makes a big distinction between right to die and euthanasia, so it is good not to conflate the two and separate them out.

I'd just assume not let the Roman Catholic Church control my vocabulary on this issue here.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2015, 05:41:47 PM »

No. Free will doesn't mean we ought to support or oppose any particular action, only that we can choose it.

right -- so the classic, "I personally oppose you euthanizing yourself, but you have the choice and I won't attempt to put the state apparatus in your way here."  that's all I'm looking for

That doesn't really match up with your title/OP. Are you trying to make a Christian argument for the state to ignore euthanasia or are you making a theological argument about euthanasia itself?
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2015, 05:53:29 PM »

Catholic moral teaching and theology makes a big distinction between right to die and euthanasia, so it is good not to conflate the two and separate them out.

I'd just assume not let the Roman Catholic Church control my vocabulary on this issue here.

If we are all using a different words and meanings, your argument will have no effect. Well perhaps it will to yourself, which may be your audience anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2015, 06:32:44 PM »

No. Free will doesn't mean we ought to support or oppose any particular action, only that we can choose it.

right -- so the classic, "I personally oppose you euthanizing yourself, but you have the choice and I won't attempt to put the state apparatus in your way here."  that's all I'm looking for

Free will also doesn't mean something should or shouldn't be legal, only that you can choose to do it or not, regardless of what the law says or whether there are temporal consequences with the government.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2015, 01:35:05 AM »

No. Free will doesn't mean we ought to support or oppose any particular action, only that we can choose it.

right -- so the classic, "I personally oppose you euthanizing yourself, but you have the choice and I won't attempt to put the state apparatus in your way here."  that's all I'm looking for

That doesn't really match up with your title/OP. Are you trying to make a Christian argument for the state to ignore euthanasia or are you making a theological argument about euthanasia itself?

a theological argument that "frees up" the Christian towards new attitudes about the (ultimately technologically-driven) changes in the end of life process.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2015, 01:36:39 AM »

Catholic moral teaching and theology makes a big distinction between right to die and euthanasia, so it is good not to conflate the two and separate them out.

I'd just assume not let the Roman Catholic Church control my vocabulary on this issue here.

If we are all using a different words and meanings, your argument will have no effect. Well perhaps it will to yourself, which may be your audience anyway.

"right to die" is a phrase of its own.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_die

Catholic and other religious opposition is of course mentioned, if not explored.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2015, 01:37:10 AM »

No. Free will doesn't mean we ought to support or oppose any particular action, only that we can choose it.

right -- so the classic, "I personally oppose you euthanizing yourself, but you have the choice and I won't attempt to put the state apparatus in your way here."  that's all I'm looking for

That doesn't really match up with your title/OP. Are you trying to make a Christian argument for the state to ignore euthanasia or are you making a theological argument about euthanasia itself?

a theological argument that "frees up" the Christian towards new attitudes about the (ultimately technologically-driven) changes in the end of life process.

The idea that the Christian should be 'freed up' presupposes an ethical argument that you haven't actually made.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2015, 04:35:12 PM »

No. Free will doesn't mean we ought to support or oppose any particular action, only that we can choose it.

right -- so the classic, "I personally oppose you euthanizing yourself, but you have the choice and I won't attempt to put the state apparatus in your way here."  that's all I'm looking for

That doesn't really match up with your title/OP. Are you trying to make a Christian argument for the state to ignore euthanasia or are you making a theological argument about euthanasia itself?

a theological argument that "frees up" the Christian towards new attitudes about the (ultimately technologically-driven) changes in the end of life process.

The idea that the Christian should be 'freed up' presupposes an ethical argument that you haven't actually made.

I just see it as presupposing the truth, that most Christians have a kneejerk reaction against euthanasia.
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