Poland election - October 25 2015

[DavidB.]

I'd probably vote for either Korwin (seems like a perfect match) or PiS (best strategic choice against immigration and European integration - even though I'm disappointed because of the fact that they seem to be even more leftist on the economy than I thought, which would probably lead me to voting Korwin). Don't know what the K and .N parties are. K = Kukiz?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

K is Kukiz
.N is .Nowoczesna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_(political_party)
Typical liberal-bankster party.

[DavidB.]

K is Kukiz
.N is .Nowoczesna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_(political_party)
Typical liberal-bankster party.

Ah, thanks Hmmm. Wiki categories "Liberal feminism" and "Pro-Europeanism". Uhm... Nope

[DC Al Fine]

Took the quiz and got a similar result to David B. I'm kind of surprised at how socially conservative Korwin is.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

And as for the PiS they are economic left rather theoretically. When they were governing country they actually were doing rather liberal things in field of economy (although they did some nice things in terms of social security and economy). On the other hand 10 years passed since the 2005 so we can't be sure what path they will follow. Although I am anti-liberal I am not going to vote on them, for me they are not reliable.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

And Korwin is not Catholic, what might be surprising
Also compared with KORWiN and Korwin himself his old party KNP is in my opinion more conservative. His conservatism is rather petite-bourgeoisie one, not ideological.   

[DavidB.]

Although I am anti-liberal I am not going to vote on them, for me they are not reliable.

Anti-liberal in a cultural/American sense or in an economic/European sense? For what party are you going to vote, if I may ask?

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

52% ZL
46.5% Razem
23.7% Modern
17.5% Kukiz
10.4% PO
10% PSL
0 PiS
-2.1% Korwin

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Although I am anti-liberal I am not going to vote on them, for me they are not reliable.

Anti-liberal in a cultural/American sense or in an economic/European sense? For what party are you going to vote, if I may ask?

In both.
And probably first time in my life I am not going to vote. Even parties which are ideologically different comparing with my views have non-appealing candidates and as my home city is PO stronghold other than PO and PiS parties are able to get only one mandate with a bit of luck. PSL usually perform poorly as they get no votes in big cities. Also in my electoral district there is no ANY local committee (only 9 districts out of 41 have no non-national committee at all) so I can't even vote on some ideologically closer small party or even just for fun u_u

[DC Al Fine]

Although I am anti-liberal I am not going to vote on them, for me they are not reliable.

Anti-liberal in a cultural/American sense or in an economic/European sense? For what party are you going to vote, if I may ask?

In both.
And probably first time in my life I am not going to vote. Even parties which are ideologically different comparing with my views have non-appealing candidates and as my home city is PO stronghold other than PO and PiS parties are able to get only one mandate with a bit of luck. PSL usually perform poorly as they get no votes in big cities. Also in my electoral district there is no ANY local committee (only 9 districts out of 41 have no non-national committee at all) so I can't even vote on some ideologically closer small party or even just for fun u_u

So who would you usually vote for?

[TJ in Oregon]

PiS: 33.3
PSL: 30.4
PO: 14.2
Korwin: 12.9
.N: 7.6
Kukiz: 3.8
Razem: -3.5
ZL: -13.3

I was somewhere about equidistant between PiS, PSL, and Korwin, though saying I have no opinion on about a third of the issues (I have no idea whether the Polish government is the right size) probably biases things toward the center.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Although I am anti-liberal I am not going to vote on them, for me they are not reliable.

Anti-liberal in a cultural/American sense or in an economic/European sense? For what party are you going to vote, if I may ask?

In both.
And probably first time in my life I am not going to vote. Even parties which are ideologically different comparing with my views have non-appealing candidates and as my home city is PO stronghold other than PO and PiS parties are able to get only one mandate with a bit of luck. PSL usually perform poorly as they get no votes in big cities. Also in my electoral district there is no ANY local committee (only 9 districts out of 41 have no non-national committee at all) so I can't even vote on some ideologically closer small party or even just for fun u_u

So who would you usually vote for?

In recent presidential elections I voted on Grzegorz Braun, in 2014 local elections on PSL and on 2011 parliamentary also on PJN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_Comes_First) but it was tactical vote with no love  - they had better scores on polls than they get in the elections and then I thought that party placed between PO and PiS would be great idea to break this annoying PiS-PO war (as they probably would focus then on killing the PJN to "get back" taken by them potential electorate). They had poor result and didn't succeed to get more than 5% and the shame after voting such ridiculous party remained.


I never had pleasure to vote on party which with I fully agree, or at least in 75%. But probably many people there have similar problem.

[DavidB.]

I was somewhere about equidistant between PiS, PSL, and Korwin, though saying I have no opinion on about a third of the issues (I have no idea whether the Polish government is the right size) probably biases things toward the center.

Poland has quite a small government, especially if compared to Western European countries.

[ag]

K is Kukiz
.N is .Nowoczesna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_(political_party)
Typical liberal-bankster party.

That would describe me well Still, not such a great match

.N         34.4
Razem  29
ZL        28.7
PSL      12.9
Kukiz    12.1
PO         8.8
Korwin  7.9
PiS        -3.3

Thought I would do better with PO and worse with Korwin and the Left. I guess, I am tripped by economic conservatism (hence, the unfortunately positive score for Korwin).

[MaxQue]

Razem 49.5
ZL 42.5
PSL 16.3
PO 7.1
PiS 2.1
.N 0.4
Kukiz -1.7
Korwin -29.6

What is razem?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partia_Razem&prev=search

[Intell]

PiS: 31.7
Razem: 23.5
Lewica: 20
PSL: 17.9
Kukiz's Movement: 15.8
Kukiz: 6.7
PO: 2.5
.N: -4.0

Could vote for the bolded parties, if in Poland.

I could choose Pis as being anti-EU and anti-EU integration, yet not anti-immigration, or the new left wing part, Razem or the boring, Lewica option, or whatever it's called . The right-wing populist party seems alright with anti-corruption, populist theme, yet not too anti-immigration or racist. EU politics is so much more interesting, as I could see my self vote for the right wing party such as PiS. What would be the best suit for me in Poland?

http://www.barometrwyborczy.pl/#!/results/5611de86c9d9595f2f3db36d

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Polling update... PiS between 44% and 34%, PO between 30% and 21%, ZL between 12% and 5%, .N between 8% and 5%, K'15 between 7% and 4%, PSL between 6% and 4%, KORWiN between 5% and 2%, Razem between 3% and 0%.

[Zuza]

Why didn't Razem join Zjednoczona Lewica? They have very few differences with Lewica and no chance to pass the threshold on their own, so now it seems they'll just spoil left-wing votes.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Why didn't Razem join Zjednoczona Lewica? They have very few differences with Lewica and no chance to pass the threshold on their own, so now it seems they'll just spoil left-wing votes.

They may have not much differences in terms of programe but they have different base.
Razem is anti-establishment party, founded by young people whose only political experience was being members of some minor parties, socialist organisations or youth wings of other parties. They are not "tainted" by real politics, they are idealistic and they don't consider Zjednoczona Lewica as real left. Additionally  they see Zjednoczona Lewica as project created to be life boat for SLD and TR "barons" like Leszek Miller (they often criticize times when he was Prime Minister of Poland).

But also they weren't able to cooperate with current allies of SLD in Zjednoczona Lewica coalition like Polish Greens (Zieloni) or Polish Socialist Party as their proposals were ridiculous as for the party with then small support and no experience. They seems to be really confident although their leader usually say in interviews that they plan success rather in the long run, not only looking for parliamentary elections this year but next years.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

http://www.votewatch.eu/blog/what-future-for-poland-special-votewatch-analysis/


Interesting, although a little bit misleading article about PO vs PiS electoral competition. Misleading because they treated both presidents, former Komorowski and current Duda as key people in their parties what rather was base on offices they held rather on their real influences inside the party which are not strong.

[Donnie]

With 15 days left in Poland, here's the average of 5 major polls
published over the last 3 days:

PIS                   39,7 %
PO                    25,4 %
United Left       9,8%
Nowoczesna     7,7%
Kukiz'15          7,1%
PSL                   5,7%
--------5% thereshold---------
Korwin             3,6%
others              1,0%

source: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ34x4HWEAA6py1.png:large

[Zanas]

Could be useful to remind that coalitions must reach an 8% threshold, rather than the 5% threshold for parties running by themselves. Of those around the threshold, Kukiz 15 and United Left are coalitions, Nowoczesna, PSL and Korwin are lone parties.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Kukiz'15 is voters committee (non-partisan) which as far as I remember needs only 5% so the only committee which must get more than 8% is ZLew.

[Donnie]

With 9 days left in Poland, here's the average of 6 major polls
published over the last 3 days:

PIS                   38,7 %
PO                    25,9 %
United Left         9,6 %
Kukiz 15             6,9%
Nowoczesna       6,3%
PSL                     5,7%
Korwin                5,3%
--------5% thereshold---------
others                 1,6%
            
 source: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRbwI5ZWcAE0Lrl.png:large