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« Reply #125 on: October 16, 2015, 08:35:45 AM »

This campaign is so boring, I miss 2011 Cry
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« Reply #126 on: October 16, 2015, 08:56:21 AM »

So basically a coalition of all parties on the left struggle to muster 10% while a vehicle for someone like Korwin gets half that by itself.

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« Reply #127 on: October 16, 2015, 10:47:44 AM »

So basically a coalition of all parties on the left struggle to muster 10% while a vehicle for someone like Korwin gets half that by itself.

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Why?
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« Reply #128 on: October 16, 2015, 11:45:26 AM »

Crossposting Crab's post from the thread on Korwin-Mikke because it seems relevant:


This is mainly a question to kataak: Did he? And did he say or write other anti-Semitic things? I didn't think so, but I just found this article and threw it into Google Translate. The result of the translation was trash but the column looked like trash too, which left me a little bit more suspicious about him.
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« Reply #129 on: October 16, 2015, 12:01:39 PM »

He is not anti-Semite, he is just Korwin - he says a lot of different things only for controversy and ferment. Few years ago he said in the interview that there are no proofs that Hitler knew about Holocaust. He often uses Hitler person as comparison but usually negative comparison (please, don't ask) but he is not anti-Semite.
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« Reply #130 on: October 16, 2015, 12:49:55 PM »

So what does he exactly say in the column I linked to, in general? The translation to English seemed... like something an anti-Semite would say Tongue
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« Reply #131 on: October 16, 2015, 12:55:39 PM »

I asked another grad student who I know who is from Poland who he is voting for and he told me Korwin because all of the established parties are corrupt and only poll better because the media focuses on them.
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« Reply #132 on: October 16, 2015, 01:44:26 PM »

There are a variety of reasons, some unpleasant and bigoted, and some quite understandable, why you aren't going to find a whole lot of philo-Semitism among Poles, especially of the right-wing persuasion.
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« Reply #133 on: October 16, 2015, 01:58:14 PM »

So what does he exactly say in the column I linked to, in general? The translation to English seemed... like something an anti-Semite would say Tongue

Whole text is about homeopathy and later Korwin make digression about natural medicine. In that part Korwin wrote that Jews are eating onion and garlic and thanks to natural properties of those vegetables they have greater potency (XD) AND they to have no unnecessary competition created gossip that garlic is only for Jews only for purpose to make anti-Semites be less potent in terms of procreation (because they will not eat garlic according to their prejudices). And that is why there are less anti-Semites. Later he make quotation that anti-semite is person hating the Jews more than necessary ending this note with conclusion that now he will have problems with both Jews and anti-Semites.

Classic Korwin. But knowing his blog you should treat that note semi-seriously.
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« Reply #134 on: October 16, 2015, 02:08:58 PM »

I could literally imagine him saying this Tongue Makes sense. Well, not the content obviously, but this certainly sounds more satirical than serious. He's basically just a big troll. Unlike wormyguy's comment this piece made me smile, so I'll keep supporting Korwin for now.
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« Reply #135 on: October 17, 2015, 12:00:40 PM »

So we have week to the elections, maybe we can start making the predictions?
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« Reply #136 on: October 18, 2015, 11:25:52 AM »

My predictions:


PiS: 39%
PO: 23%
ZLew: 10%
PSL: 7%
Cookies: 6%
.Nowoczesna: 5%
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KORWiN: <5%
Razem: 1%
Stonoga: <1%
Local/minors: 3%
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« Reply #137 on: October 18, 2015, 04:33:34 PM »

So basically a coalition of all parties on the left struggle to muster 10% while a vehicle for someone like Korwin gets half that by itself.

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Why?

Personally I've no interest in politics when it's dominated by liberals & reactionaries to such an extent. 
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« Reply #138 on: October 18, 2015, 04:45:55 PM »

My predictions:


PiS: 39%
PO: 23%
ZLew: 10%
PSL: 7%
Cookies: 6%
.Nowoczesna: 5%
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KORWiN: <5%
Razem: 1%
Stonoga: <1%
Local/minors: 3%

If KORWiN does not make it past 5% would not PiS win a slender majority on these numbers?  For sure it will be a large PiS majority in the Senate unless there is going to be a lot of tactical voting by ZL and PSL for PO.
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« Reply #139 on: October 18, 2015, 04:47:48 PM »

Nowoczesna looks very interesting and it would be great if it makes it past 5%.  All things equal this would be the party I would back if I were voting.  It reminds me a lot of UW back in the 1990s which I also backed as well.
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« Reply #140 on: October 18, 2015, 06:20:53 PM »

So basically a coalition of all parties on the left struggle to muster 10% while a vehicle for someone like Korwin gets half that by itself.

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Why?

Personally I've no interest in politics when it's dominated by liberals & reactionaries to such an extent. 

You know, only taking into account my personal views there will be no interesting country for me at all. And in Poland only reactionaries are communists and pre-89 nostalgics. 

My predictions:


PiS: 39%
PO: 23%
ZLew: 10%
PSL: 7%
Cookies: 6%
.Nowoczesna: 5%
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KORWiN: <5%
Razem: 1%
Stonoga: <1%
Local/minors: 3%

If KORWiN does not make it past 5% would not PiS win a slender majority on these numbers?  For sure it will be a large PiS majority in the Senate unless there is going to be a lot of tactical voting by ZL and PSL for PO.

Actually I don't know, but if they will get more than 38% they will probably get majority. Also I am not sure that KORWiN voters are really able to vote on PiS massively so I would be cautious with treating votes for KORWiN as lost votes by PiS.

And in Nowoczesna there are a lot of people who were in UW (and some also PO), Ryszard Petru  (leader of the party) also was member of UW and also acolyte of Leszek Balcerowicz. He is shady person and really can't be trusted knowing his past - he pose as a person outside the system but he clearly isn't one.
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« Reply #141 on: October 19, 2015, 12:19:01 PM »

Wouldn't Korwin people favour PO over PiS? They are more economic ally liberal no?
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« Reply #142 on: October 19, 2015, 12:44:48 PM »

For typical KORWiN voter PO is socialist party which created government which is destroying Poland with bureaucracy, shady pacts with some thugs/Merkel/post-communist special services whatever and servilism to the UE. Although long, long time ago Janusz Korwin Mikke while being in UPR had short living cooperation with PO in the early 00's nowadays first of all Korwin himself is strongly against PO and his followers even more. Probably if you would ask such question to the person who supports KORWiN he would treat such question as a trolling or just as an insult. Probably for KORWiN voter PO is almost the last "second choice option" (after ZLew).


But to be honest PO is far from being party which follows any ideology, now they are closer to the typical party of power which exist only as a electoral vessel for cabinet/MP's which are somehow bounded with current administration. Years of ruling made them rusty what was visible during presidential elections.
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« Reply #143 on: October 20, 2015, 06:23:47 AM »

You know, only taking into account my personal views there will be no interesting country for me at all.

Thankfully the left isn't as obsolete in other countries as it is in Poland, so I don't have that issue.

And in Poland only reactionaries are communists and pre-89 nostalgics. 

lol righto.
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« Reply #144 on: October 20, 2015, 02:55:10 PM »

You know, only taking into account my personal views there will be no interesting country for me at all.

Thankfully the left isn't as obsolete in other countries as it is in Poland, so I don't have that issue.


You know, if you are somehow interested and attached to the left all over the world it is beneficial to not only observe how left works in countries where they have mass support but also countries where left in falling into the void. Just to know what left in your country should avoid. In my opinion that would be more beneficial to you than just ignoring places when no one wants to vote on them Curly
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« Reply #145 on: October 20, 2015, 04:41:34 PM »

You know, only taking into account my personal views there will be no interesting country for me at all.

Thankfully the left isn't as obsolete in other countries as it is in Poland, so I don't have that issue.


You know, if you are somehow interested and attached to the left all over the world it is beneficial to not only observe how left works in countries where they have mass support but also countries where left in falling into the void. Just to know what left in your country should avoid. In my opinion that would be more beneficial to you than just ignoring places when no one wants to vote on them Curly
Right on. And of course, what "the left" represents varies wildly from country to country.

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« Reply #146 on: October 20, 2015, 04:54:22 PM »

You know, only taking into account my personal views there will be no interesting country for me at all.

Thankfully the left isn't as obsolete in other countries as it is in Poland, so I don't have that issue.


You know, if you are somehow interested and attached to the left all over the world it is beneficial to not only observe how left works in countries where they have mass support but also countries where left in falling into the void. Just to know what left in your country should avoid. In my opinion that would be more beneficial to you than just ignoring places when no one wants to vote on them Curly
Right on. And of course, what "the left" represents varies wildly from country to country.

Agreed.

As for the most boring campaign since I remember:
Today we had in Poland main TV debate between leaders or representatives of those parties which are starting in whole country. I wasn't watching it because I wasn't home then. But as I read some analysis and articles by many authors the best "result" at the debate had member of Razem party. There are a lot of voices considering that debate as some kind of turning point and beginning of Razem's journey in the great politics but in my opinion that might be a little bit far-fetched. PSL leader Janusz Piechociński, Korwin and Kukiz also did well, but they (Korwin, Kukiz) had easier job than the rest of politicians which must always be seriously serious with no need for being politically correct and Piechociński although his appearance might cause some misjudgments he is a smart guy and easily cope with such form of discussion with political opponents. Rest rather on "meh" level, Kopacz's performance considered as poor.  
On the other hand contrary to my skepticism it might be important that after the debate Razem party webpage was visited so much that it crashed - although there might not be any particular effect on result in the elections I think that Razem because of well prepared member who took part in prime-time debate organised by three biggest TV stations might even bring them score better than 2%. They today had their "5 minutes of fame". The most important question is if they will "take" potential electorate from ZLew or previously undecided voters.
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« Reply #147 on: October 21, 2015, 10:07:43 AM »

You know, only taking into account my personal views there will be no interesting country for me at all.

Thankfully the left isn't as obsolete in other countries as it is in Poland, so I don't have that issue.


You know, if you are somehow interested and attached to the left all over the world it is beneficial to not only observe how left works in countries where they have mass support but also countries where left in falling into the void. Just to know what left in your country should avoid. In my opinion that would be more beneficial to you than just ignoring places when no one wants to vote on them Curly

Well the trouble with that is, I'm not a strategist or in anyway influential, so combing the globe for solutions to the left's woes in certain countries is not in the least bit appealing - I'm here recreationally: for my own enjoyment, to pepper my working day with the knowledge that there are movements out there looking to change the situation.
 
Besides which, you acknowledge the left differs across countries, but then so do their appeal: what works/fails in one country isn't a blueprint for another.
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« Reply #148 on: October 21, 2015, 10:09:30 AM »

Leftbehind you can't deny watching some countries with no left is quite funny, really. Stuff like Ireland, where you don't cAre who loses, cause they all suck.
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« Reply #149 on: October 21, 2015, 10:51:55 AM »

You know, only taking into account my personal views there will be no interesting country for me at all.

Thankfully the left isn't as obsolete in other countries as it is in Poland, so I don't have that issue.


You know, if you are somehow interested and attached to the left all over the world it is beneficial to not only observe how left works in countries where they have mass support but also countries where left in falling into the void. Just to know what left in your country should avoid. In my opinion that would be more beneficial to you than just ignoring places when no one wants to vote on them Curly

Well the trouble with that is, I'm not a strategist or in anyway influential, so combing the globe for solutions to the left's woes in certain countries is not in the least bit appealing - I'm here recreationally: for my own enjoyment, to pepper my working day with the knowledge that there are movements out there looking to change the situation.
 
Besides which, you acknowledge the left differs across countries, but then so do their appeal: what works/fails in one country isn't a blueprint for another.



Ok, we just have different approach to politics. 
And yes, lest differs but the way how political system works doesn't really that much across the world and there are many common patterns when we compare different countries. And as left wing parties are usually part of it they might have common problems etc. etc. But I think that is not thread for such discussion Tongue




And I want to change my predictions:
PiS: 39%
PO: 21%
ZLew: 9%
PSL: 7%
Cookies: 7%
.Nowoczesna: 5%
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KORWiN: <5%
Razem: Purple heart%
Stonoga: <1%
Local/minors: 3%
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