Poland election - October 25 2015

[Tender Branson]

According to the late poll, young voters (18-29) are the most Korwin voting people:

16.8%

While only 0.6% of voters older than 60 voted for him.

http://www.tvp.info/#sondaz

(click on "wiek")

Also, men are more likely to vote Korwin & Kukiz than women - while women vote for PiS and PO by a bigger margin than men.

Also, the PO is expected to only win 2 of the 16 Polish regions: Opolskie, Pomorskie - but Zachodniopomorskie is pretty close.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Ugh Poland is going to turn into Hungary.

That would be nice but I doubt it.

I guess the votes are going to be counted today ?
Btw, what was final turnout like ?

Haha, dreamer. Tuesday.

[Donnie]

According to unofficial information, PSL will be out with 4.8% and KORWIN will sneak in with
5.1%. United Left is  for 99% out. With these results, Poland will become the most right wing
country in Europe, with no left party in 460 seat parlament

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Twitter says so I think that it might be unfortunatelly true. Even if not current leader and former leader of PSL will be out.

[Ex-Assemblyman Steelers]

What a awful results

[RodPresident]

If PSL goes out, then they'll die or can they hope for ressurection in a FDP mode? And left? Will they try to join PO, or be lead by Razem people.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

If PSL goes out, then they'll die or can they hope for ressurection in a FDP mode? And left? Will they try to join PO, or be lead by Razem people.

To early to say but: PSL will probably will not die out as they have a lot of local power still in voivodships and powiats. As for the SLD probably they will try to survive alone and probably resign from any coalitions. Minor coalition members like TR or Greens will probably die or some stronger parties will vassalize them. 

[Zuza]

With these results, Poland will become the most right wing country in Europe, with no left party in 460 seat parlament

Isn't it already the most right-wing in the EU, with both 2 main parties being right-wing, social democrats diminished to 27 seats and Palikot's party (liberals who proposed to introduce a flat tax) regarded as "left-wing" by Polish standards? In Hungary centre-left at least remains the largest opposition force (though, on the other hand, there is Jobbik in Hungary, which is way to the right of any significant Polish party). And yes, now when there will be no SLD or Palikot at all in parliament, Poland shifts even further to the right.

[Zuza]

According to this, majority of 2011 PPP voters now support PO and PiS and only 4.3% of them voted for ZL. How it is possible? PPP is a small far-left party which is a part of ZL now. Is there some kind of mistake?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

PPP was a little bit too late in the coalition and they didn't get much. Also as you can see 7% voted on Razem. I think that their electorate voted on PiS like a lot of people - because they wanted PO to begone. And on PO as they wanted to stop PiS. Small parties who do not participate often in elections doesn't have so much "iron electorate". Other thing that PPP actually wasn't very active in campaigning for ZLew. Notice that only 16% of Palikot electorate from 2011 was voting on ZLew. They were not that attractive but they are some small chances that they will get that 8%. Small but still.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Ok, actually there are bigger than small chances that ZLew will enter. Based on local media news partial results gives them 7.78% and there are no still results from Podlasie and Bydgoszcz where SLD is usually strong. But as for now nothing is sure.

[mvd10]

Isn't PiS pretty left wing on economics? They have embraced economic interventionism and the president of Poland (from PiS) has said that he wanted to lower the retirement age to 60. Doesn't really sound that right wing imo. Perhaps the Palikot movement was perceived as left wing because it's pretty socially progressive (and vocal in that). Here in the Netherlands a lot of people think D66 is a left wing party and it is featured in a lot of possible left wing coalitions while it actually is pretty right wing on the economics (for Dutch standards), but because it is socially progressive people automatically think it is a left wing party (progressive vs conservative).

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Isn't PiS pretty left wing on economics? They have embraced economic interventionism and the president of Poland (from PiS) has said that he wanted to lower the retirement age to 60. Doesn't really sound that right wing imo. Perhaps the Palikot movement was perceived as left wing because it's pretty socially progressive (and vocal in that).

In theory PiS is rather etatist and pro-welfare but in practice they might try to go middle way. It depends on who will become Minister of Finance and Minister of Economy. They also usually tend to try appease small and medium enterprises so there might be a lot of "pro-entrepreneurial" acts.

Here in the Netherlands a lot of people think D66 is a left wing party and it is featured in a lot of possible left wing coalitions while it actually is pretty right wing on the economics (for Dutch standards), but because it is socially progressive people automatically think it is a left wing party (progressive vs conservative).

Palikot were highlighting rather social aspects, while economic was rather on the background (although also present) so it was pretty obvious that for people he will be perceived as left-wing. And for me he is centre-left politician.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

23/41 districts and ZLew 7.97 :S

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'm not sure if the SLD can be honestly described as anything other than a party of ex-PZPR functionaries for ex-PZPR functionaries. Their last government was to the right of the PiS dominated one that replaced it on basically everything not connected to nationalism.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

http://parlament2015.pkw.gov.pl/351_Wyniki_Senat

Senat elections results updated.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Do you have a link to the updated count for the main event?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

If PSL goes out, then they'll die or can they hope for ressurection in a FDP mode? And left? Will they try to join PO, or be lead by Razem people.

To early to say but: PSL will probably will not die out as they have a lot of local power still in voivodships and powiats. As for the SLD probably they will try to survive alone and probably resign from any coalitions. Minor coalition members like TR or Greens will probably die or some stronger parties will vassalize them. 

The question is whether Miller and his cronies will survive.

[Tender Branson]

The Senate is looking like the total opposite of 2011 so far.

PiS to end up with 60-65 of the 100 seats, PO with about 30-35 and a few Indies.

[Tender Branson]

Do you have a link to the updated count for the main event?

I assume they count the Senate votes today and the Sejm vote tomorrow ...

[VPH]

Is there a rundown of parties somewhere in this thread?

[Tender Branson]

Is there a rundown of parties somewhere in this thread?

What exactly do you mean with rundown ?

The results for the Sejm and Senate or their platforms ?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Do you have a link to the updated count for the main event?

I assume they count the Senate votes today and the Sejm vote tomorrow ...

As for now we are waiting for the Warsaw and UK. UK have some massive delays.

If PSL goes out, then they'll die or can they hope for ressurection in a FDP mode? And left? Will they try to join PO, or be lead by Razem people.

To early to say but: PSL will probably will not die out as they have a lot of local power still in voivodships and powiats. As for the SLD probably they will try to survive alone and probably resign from any coalitions. Minor coalition members like TR or Greens will probably die or some stronger parties will vassalize them. 

The question is whether Miller and his cronies will survive.

Remember that they still have 18 members in voivodship sejmik's, few town mayors, 5 MEPs and handful of minor local authorities bodies members.

[tpfkaw]

As for now we are waiting for the Warsaw and UK. UK have some massive delays.

Should both be very PO/ZL (relatively speaking), I assume?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

UK rather Kukiz/KORWiN
Warsaw rather PO/.nowoczesna/PiS.