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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: July 18, 2015, 01:03:11 PM »

The office of the Attorney General hereby charges Classic Conservative with Rebellion under the terms of the .

The charges are defined by the Law as follows:

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The Constitutional rules regarding trials are also reproduced here:

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Current rules (as provided by Law) on the admissibility of evidence also follow:

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I formally request that the Supreme Court promptly assigns to this trial a Justice, that it summons a legally constituted Jury and that I may be permitted to present evidence so that the Justice may appropriately determine its admissibility.
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2015, 01:14:30 PM »

For, the record your honor I did not formally declare war against the Midwest or Atlasia, I put troops on the Southern Border to protect my region and I didn't overreach my boundaries, I ask that my case will be thrown out of the court.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2015, 04:16:07 PM »

We'll be reviewing both this and the Yankee case and making a decision shortly.

The problem here is that the No More Witchunts Act (2015), thankfully, granted the Court to dismiss frivilous cases against individuals where -

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But the Attorney General "demonstrating" a violation of the law seems to be fairly vague. In Yankee's case, for example, it seems to be that the best way to move forward is for Al to demonstrate in what manner Yankee may have committed a high crime, likewise in this case. Our discretion is fairly limited.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2015, 04:21:32 PM »

It's deeply disturbing that the Attorney General is charging Classic Conservative and not Governor TNF, that ordered to invade the Pacific region. It's clearly rebellion, defined as the use of military forces to overthrow the Federal or any Regional government of Atlasia.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2015, 04:21:59 PM »

We'll be reviewing both this and the Yankee case and making a decision shortly.

The problem here is that the No More Witchunts Act (2015), thankfully, granted the Court to dismiss frivilous cases against individuals where -

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But the Attorney General "demonstrating" a violation of the law seems to be fairly vague. In Yankee's case, for example, it seems to be that the best way to move forward is for Al to demonstrate in what manner Yankee may have committed a high crime, likewise in this case. Our discretion is fairly limited.
Your honors,
I don't know if you've been reading the Atlas Fantasy Election board but it is pretty clear that Al is just being political beacuse he wants to form a new socialist republic, neither Yankee or I have committed anything against the law and for me your honor I have not declared war and I have just ordered my militia to protect the borders of the South and offered support for Governor Simfan and others who have been given arrest warrants by the government. I implore you my justices to not bring this case up beacuse neither of us have broken the law and we are being falsely blamed and targeted beacuse of our political beliefs.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2015, 04:24:25 PM »

I understand that, but as I said we really don't have a lot of discretion in what cases to take on.

Are militias even legal? TNF may well be in the wrong (we'd need a case for that, too) but that doesn't mean you can necessarily go around ordering a bunch of lunatics with guns to "defend the border".
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2015, 04:26:32 PM »

I understand that, but as I said we really don't have a lot of discretion in what cases to take on.

Are militias even legal? TNF may well be in the wrong (we'd need a case for that, too) but that doesn't mean you can necessarily go around ordering a bunch of lunatics with guns to "defend the border".
The Constitution in Article VI Section 5 state that and there are also more militias including one in the Mideast and the new one formed in the Northeast.
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2015, 04:44:55 PM »

Okay, thanks. Give us a couple of days. Thinks are a bit hectic at the moment as you might imagine.
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2015, 04:47:10 PM »

Okay, thanks. Give us a couple of days. Thinks are a bit hectic at the moment as you might imagine.
Completely understand, though I'll be away next away so I really won't have time beacuse I'll be camping, I just plead to the court that I'll be let go free on all charges.
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2015, 04:53:33 PM »

I understand that, but as I said we really don't have a lot of discretion in what cases to take on.

Are militias even legal? TNF may well be in the wrong (we'd need a case for that, too) but that doesn't mean you can necessarily go around ordering a bunch of lunatics with guns to "defend the border".
The Constitution in Article VI Section 5 state that and there are also more militias including one in the Mideast and the new one formed in the Northeast.

The Companions of Artemis, of course, have made clear from the very beginning that we will follow any and all orders given to us by the Atlasian and Northeast governments.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2015, 04:55:09 PM »

I understand that, but as I said we really don't have a lot of discretion in what cases to take on.

Are militias even legal? TNF may well be in the wrong (we'd need a case for that, too) but that doesn't mean you can necessarily go around ordering a bunch of lunatics with guns to "defend the border".
The Constitution in Article VI Section 5 state that and there are also more militias including one in the Mideast and the new one formed in the Northeast.

The Companions of Artemis, of course, have made clear from the very beginning that we will follow any and all orders given to us by the Atlasian and Northeast governments.
I understand, my militias also your honor would immediately disband if they were found to be uconstitutional and we are just protecting our borders.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2015, 05:00:58 PM »

Excuse my interruption, but if I remember correctly, when Harry organized a militia in Mideast, the administration asked him to disband.

Also, I'm pretty sure there's a significant legal distinction between organized militias and self-established militias.
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2015, 05:03:40 PM »

Excuse my interruption, but if I remember correctly, when Harry organized a militia in Mideast, the administration asked him to disband.

Also, I'm pretty sure there's a significant legal distinction between organized militias and self-established militias.
If, the administration asked me to disband I would. I respect the rule of law and the constitution if Bore asked me I would immediately and lock the thread.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2015, 06:49:27 PM »

Your honors,
I have closed done the militia and protest of the Attorney Generals Office.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2015, 09:18:00 PM »

I'm going to take it that these are de facto dropped (this & the Yankee case) in light of the Attorney General's resignation. If his successor should wish to continue we can do that but otherwise I don't see much point in continuing.
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2015, 09:31:31 PM »

I'm going to take it that these are de facto dropped (this & the Yankee case) in light of the Attorney General's resignation. If his successor should wish to continue we can do that but otherwise I don't see much point in continuing.
I thank the justices for what they have done, they all have great respect for the law.
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2015, 10:04:44 PM »

Excuse my interruption, but if I remember correctly, when Harry organized a militia in Mideast, the administration asked him to disband.

Just for the record (though I suppose it doesn't really matter, since this case has been dismissed and Atlasia might not be around much longer), I never received a direct order to disband my militia. At the time, the Lumine Administration directed private militia companies to dissolve unless they were organized according to the laws of their respective Regions; I subsequently received authorization from Sec. of State Superique to remain active, but ended up disbanding about a day later anyways.

To clarify, what about regional militias (ie: militias commanded by the regional governors per their constitutions, similar to National Guard units)? In the Mideast, a number of citizens have volunteered to serve in temporary militia companies under the command of Governor TDAS04. As the governor has assumed responsibility for these units, certainly they would not be lumped in with the extralegal militias in question?

Yes, maybe we should make things clearer. Due to the recent developments with regards to militias, we will respect the Regionally-supervised militias; we will not interfere on its regional duties. Nonetheless, this Administration still desires compliance with the rule of law and we will not accept militias in territories where they don't have legal basis to exist. There are some Regional Constitutions across Atlasia that doesn't support this sort of militia, which is not the case of the Mideast. Moreover, we would still like to say that we are not absolutely sure if those sort of militias are the most effective way to fight against those terrorist groups and we hope that the Regional Governments offer this militias with appropriate training before any conflict is started.
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