BK MEGAPOLL: Final Solution for the Atlasian Question

[Bacon King]

POLL DEFINITIONS

old member: first joined Atlasia in 2013 or earlier
newer member: first joined Atlasia in 2014 or 2015

Abolish: end the game entirely and leave it to rest in peace
Reboot: end this iteration of the game and start a "sequel" that does not maintain Atlasia's existing rules or laws
Reform: modify/replace the existing constitution but maintain legal continuity with the current iteration of the game
Status Quo: continue the current iteration without making any substantial reforms to the "fabric" of the current game

[Antonio the Sixth]

Reboot.

[SWE]

Reboot (newer member)

Joined 20 days too late to be considered an older member

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

old member ( :/ ) / reboot

[TNF]

Reboot.

[Senator Cris]

Reboot with reforms.

[Bacon King]

Reboot with reforms.

Sorry if I wrote the explanations poorly- consider "reform" to be an inherent part of "reboot". I don't know of anyone who wants to start the game over but keep everything exactly the same

[Leinad]

Why don't we try reforms? Or put it up to a democratic vote whether we want a restart or not?

I'm against dissolution mostly because I'm worried those traitorous people who voted "abolish" get their way and Atlasia's gone forever. If we restart, we need to guarantee that we don't just kill it off forever.

[TNF]

Why don't we try reforms? Or put it up to a democratic vote whether we want a restart or not?

I'm against dissolution mostly because I'm worried those traitorous people who voted "abolish" get their way and Atlasia's gone forever. If we restart, we need to guarantee that we don't just kill it off forever.

a) reforms will never come from a Senate that would rather stay in power than do anything meaningful to change the nature of the game, i.e. risk losing office themselves

b) we can't get a democratic vote on the matter because the Senate and other federal officeholders refuse to even consider dissolution. every senator but 1 (new canadaland) voted against dissolution

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

Reboot and reform to an erepublik-like browser game.

[Simfan34]

I feel like this is Nyman right now: https://youtu.be/QthM5-T7TMs?t=45m38s

And in a few days: https://youtu.be/QthM5-T7TMs?t=1h1m5s

[Bacon King]

Why don't we try reforms? Or put it up to a democratic vote whether we want a restart or not?

I'm against dissolution mostly because I'm worried those traitorous people who voted "abolish" get their way and Atlasia's gone forever. If we restart, we need to guarantee that we don't just kill it off forever.

It's awesome that you're interested in this game because there's so little new blood.

This is a public opinion poll to determine for policymakers what the outcome of any democratic vote might look like.

And an issue most people seem to have with reforms is that historically they've mostly been useless or made things worse, and that even when a majority supports the idea of "reform" they are diametrically opposed about what exactly those reforms should look like

[Leinad]

Reboot and reform to an erepublik-like browser game.

I'd prefer it stay as a forum game.

Why don't we try reforms? Or put it up to a democratic vote whether we want a restart or not?

I'm against dissolution mostly because I'm worried those traitorous people who voted "abolish" get their way and Atlasia's gone forever. If we restart, we need to guarantee that we don't just kill it off forever.

It's awesome that you're interested in this game because there's so little new blood.

This is a public opinion poll to determine for policymakers what the outcome of any democratic vote might look like.

And an issue most people seem to have with reforms is that historically they've mostly been useless or made things worse, and that even when a majority supports the idea of "reform" they are diametrically opposed about what exactly those reforms should look like

Right, I know what this is, I'm just trying to make sure people realize that a restart isn't an alternative to coming together and determining reforms. Kicking the can down the road isn't the answer, but neither is going to a different road and kicking the can down that.

Basically, I'd prefer a restart to be done sensibly, and I'd really prefer it be done after we try other reforms. It really can't hurt.

[BaconBacon96]

Reboot and reform.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Why don't we try reforms?

Been tried (and very very frequently) for well over five years now. The reason why reform movements always fail here is because structural flaws built into the game make it very easy for the knuckle draggers to block everything of use.

[Leinad]

Why don't we try reforms?

Been tried (and very very frequently) for well over five years now. The reason why reform movements always fail here is because structural flaws built into the game make it very easy for the knuckle draggers to block everything of use.

I still don't think we should give up that easily. Let's try a Constitutional Convention. If that doesn't work, I'll listen to well-thought-out restart plans. As many people have said (including Senator Kalwejt of your own party) just dissolving without a plan is ridiculous.

[Bacon King]

Why don't we try reforms?

Been tried (and very very frequently) for well over five years now. The reason why reform movements always fail here is because structural flaws built into the game make it very easy for the knuckle draggers to block everything of use.

I still don't think we should give up that easily. Let's try a Constitutional Convention. If that doesn't work, I'll listen to well-thought-out restart plans. As many people have said (including Senator Kalwejt of your own party) just dissolving without a plan is ridiculous.

dissolve then have a constitutional convention for a new game maybe? that way people can't "walk away from the table" and just vote down the new constitution if they prefer the status quo

[tmthforu94]

As an old member who is no longer registered, my recommendation would be to reboot. There still seem to be too many out there who are interested in this game to abolish it - start over and see if that works.

[Hatman 🍁]

old member / reforms

[Oakvale]

An overwhelming 70% in favour of either abolishing or rebooting! Impeach them all!

[Senator Cris]

67.8% in favour of rebooting and reforming. Great news!
We can reboot this game with reforms.

[Bacon King]

Wow only 27% want to keep going in this current game? That number is less than I thought it would be

[Bacon King]

67.8% in favour of rebooting and reforming. Great news!
We can reboot this game with reforms.

As I clarified above, "reboot" inherently means doing reforms while you start over (it isn't a fresh start if you don't change anything!). "Reform" is the option for maintaining Atlasia's current history/precedent/laws and changing the game exclusively within the framework of the game

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Abolish would be my preference, but if this is to continue, the game structurally needs to be overhauled, with less offices and more opportunity for new members to advance, which means only people like me really need to move on from this place.

[Lincoln Republican]

If this SIM in its' current form were to discontinue, I believe a band of true believers would start a new SIM to replace it, tailor it to what would work for them, and take it from there.