Politics and Elections in the Netherlands: coalition agreement presented

[mvd10]

I don't think Baudet will be kingmaker. I can't see him working with VVD, CDA and D66. His main theme was breaking up the party cartel.

[SunSt0rm]

  I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

The Times readers are particularly eager to know what the kingmaker will do now...

lol, he is nowhere to be kingmaker

[Zinneke]

  I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

The Times readers are particularly eager to know what the kingmaker will do now...

lol, he is nowhere to be kingmaker

But he's Murdoch's boy now.

[Lachi]

So, using the exit poll, is anyone coming up with any potential coalitions?

[SunSt0rm]

So, using the exit poll, is anyone coming up with any potential coalitions?

Its going to be

VVD+CDA+D66+GL

or

VVD+CDA+D66+CU with possible outside support of SGP

[DavidB.]

AD's poll in Heemskerk was pretty good

[mvd10]

So, using the exit poll, is anyone coming up with any potential coalitions?

VVD-CDA-D66-GL or VVD-CDA-D66-CU with outside support from SGP. There are problems with both coalitions. GL probably doesn't want to work with 3 centre-right parties and D66 would clash with the social conservatives of CU and SGP. But both are possible, I think VVD-CDA-D66-CU-SGP is most likely though. VVD-CDA-D66-PvdA also has a majority but the PvdA isn't going to do that. CDA-D66-GL-SP-PvdA also has a majority but I don't think CDA will do it. They can threaten Rutte with it though.

[mvd10]

We currently are witnessing a (presumably) drunk Henk Krol dancing lol.

[SPQR]

I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

wouldn't associate that so directly....some countries are much more fiscal conservatives than others and still got a left-right divide on many issues.

Ok, there are obviously cultural differences between countries, but you can't really call yourself a social democrat and be part of the PES while you constantly have such strong right-wing economic views.
Honestly, Djissembloem is just as conservative as Katainen or Schaeuble...and that's pretty much saying it all.

[SunSt0rm]

Apparantly in a migrant neighbor, Denk is getting 1/3 of the vote

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

  I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

The Times readers are particularly eager to know what the kingmaker will do now...

lol, he is nowhere to be kingmaker

PvdD have a better case of being kingmaker lol.

Also, I'm guessing DENK is going to be regretted by the Turkish community sooner or later. Hopefully they aren't overtaken by islamists.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Ok, there are obviously cultural differences between countries, but you can't really call yourself a social democrat and be part of the PES while you constantly have such strong right-wing economic views.

NL is paying a lot of money, didn't cheat re: its financial situation, wasn't in such a big crisis as other countries.....you are a leading member of a social-democratic party and next to you grows a far-right-wing populist party with left-wing economics...for the dutch....mostly voted for by your own former electorate.

what do you do? pushing the notion that we need to forgive and forget everything and save greece once more, even while politicans over there are calling your NAZI....or try to be center-center?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Well, so basically everybody but PvdA claim that they achieved a success as now I read what leaders/speakers said on media? Kinda cute. I am glad that CU maybe will get one more MP. But Kuzu and Ozturk in parliament is kind of sad joke.

[DavidB.]

Makes no sense to take the exit poll too literally. As if Roemer lost 1 seat. We don't know yet. Last time around they treated CU as if they had won for the first two hours or so, but they remained stable at 5 anyway. SP could as well have 15 seats this time around and not lose anything, CU could as well have 5 and not win anything. NOS are getting ahead of themselves once again. Let's wait for actual results coming in for parties for which the margins are this small.

[Diouf]

Are results only reported when the whole municipality is counted or can individual polling place results be seen anywhere?

[SPQR]

Ok, there are obviously cultural differences between countries, but you can't really call yourself a social democrat and be part of the PES while you constantly have such strong right-wing economic views.

NL is paying a lot of money, didn't cheat re: its financial situation, wasn't in such a big crisis as other countries.....you are a leading member of a social-democratic party and next to you grows a far-right-wing populist party with left-wing economics...for the dutch....mostly voted for by your own former electorate.

what do you do? pushing the notion that we need to forgive and forget everything and save greece once more, even while politicans over there are calling your NAZI....or try to be center-center?

Seems like reverse causality to me...your former electorate is not voting you for some reason, and fully embracing austerity without even attempting to provide a progressive project seems a pretty good reason.

And that eventually leads you to losing some 20% in 5 years...

[DavidB.]

Turnout is higher, so it takes longer to count votes. Makes sense

[SunSt0rm]

Are results only reported when the whole municipality is counted or can individual polling place results be seen anywhere?

only whole municipalities

[mvd10]

Buma is celebrating winning 19 seats. Surely, it's a big improvement from 2012 but we shouldn't forget that this is their second worst showing ever. They got less seats than in 2010 (when they dropped from 41 to 21).

[SunSt0rm]

CDA wins Renswoude, VVD lost 17% there

Ouch, PvdA smaller than 50+ and FvD as well in Renswoude

[ApatheticAustrian]

Seems like reverse causality to me...your former electorate is not voting you for some reason, and fully embracing austerity without even attempting to provide a progressive project seems a pretty good reason.

let me try it another way:

austerity for THEE but not for ME is the general position for potential PvdA <--> Wilders voters, i would guess and if less money goes to "poor south europeans", there is more oppportunity for good old Dutch working class voters and this position is hard to fulfill for a classical leftie.

[Beezer]

Turnout is higher, so it takes longer to count votes. Makes sense

Or the Russians are still trying to rig the election.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Makes no sense to take the exit poll too literally. As if Roemer lost 1 seat. We don't know yet. Last time around they treated CU as if they had won for the first two hours or so, but they remained stable at 5 anyway. SP could as well have 15 seats this time around and not lose anything, CU could as well have 5 and not win anything. NOS are getting ahead of themselves once again. Let's wait for actual results coming in for parties for which the margins are this small.

Do not kill the fun

[DavidB.]

Important thing is that suburban and exurban areas have stayed with the VVD. VVD lost; PVV, CDA, D66 won, but they have largely remained with the VVD. That's what happened, and that's why this result happened.

[mvd10]

Henk Kamp just got mentioned as a possible informateur by a journalist. It makes sense, he won't be in the next cabinet and he is one of those elderly statesmen who usually become informateur.