Politics and Elections in the Netherlands: coalition agreement presented

[Lachi]

First seat predictions of the night:
Top 5:
VVD: 32
D66: 17
CDA: 21 (is also well behind in terms of votes)
PVV: 20 (Is well behind GL in terms of votes)
GL: 15

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Seat estimates as of now:
VVD - 32 (-9)
D66 - 17 (+5)
GL - 15 (+11)
PVV - 20 (+5)
CDA - 21 (+8)
SP - 14 (-1)
PvdA - 9 (-29)
CU - 6 (+1)
DENK - 3 (+3)
50+ - 4 (+2)
SGP - 3
FvD - 2 (+2)
PP - 1 (+1)

[DavidB.]

Vvd-cda-d66-cu majority, but not a real prognosis, and at 10% of the vote counted

[seb_pard]

Despite the final result, I like that GL is improving in parts that they were absent before. For example going from 1.2% to 5.3% in Kerkrade is a very good result (relatively). If you hace visible supporters in different areas is a crucial to succeed.

[Vosem]

CU holds Bunschoten

[Mike88]

This is odd. NOS vote share is different from what Europe Elects twitter is reporting.

NOS has:

17.6% VVD
14.3% D66
13.1% GL
10.1% PVV
10.0% CDA

Europe Elects has:

22.4% VVD
13.2% GL
12.2% PVV
11.9% D66
11.3% CDA

Which one is correct?

[Diouf]

This is odd. NOS vote share is different from what Europe Elects twitter is reporting.

NOS has:

17.6% VVD
14.3% D66
13.1% GL
10.1% PVV
10.0% CDA

Europe Elects has:

22.4% VVD
13.2% GL
12.2% PVV
11.9% D66
11.3% CDA

Which one is correct?

NOS is prognosis based on the counted votes, EuropeElects are just the counted votes

[Vosem]

GL taking Amsterdam is their first-ever municipality win; what a debut

[Hifly]

Pekala!

[seb_pard]

Pekala!

Wow, PVV did really well there.

[Mike88]

This is odd. NOS vote share is different from what Europe Elects twitter is reporting.

NOS has:

17.6% VVD
14.3% D66
13.1% GL
10.1% PVV
10.0% CDA

Europe Elects has:

22.4% VVD
13.2% GL
12.2% PVV
11.9% D66
11.3% CDA

Which one is correct?

NOS is prognosis based on the counted votes, EuropeElects are just the counted votes

Ahh. Didn't knew that. Thanks!

[Tintrlvr]

Pekala!

Wow, PVV did really well there.

Is that an exact tie between PVV and SP?

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

SP wins Veendam with 18.7%, PVV comes second at 16.3%

[Lachi]

Pekala!

Wow, PVV did really well there.

Is that an exact tie between PVV and SP?

Yes.

[Velasco]

Rumors are that Denk is larger than PvdA in Rotterdam

Although that could said more about the state PvdA than Denk

PvdA joins the long list of socialist/social democratic parties in Europe that have become zombies. PASOK, PSOE, Irish Labour, French PS, UK Labour, MSZP, etc, etc.

Some of these parties are more dead than others. The Dutch and the Greek ones have dropped below 10%. Others are still polling above 10% or 20%. The magnitude of the catastrophe says that PvdA is the new PASOK. Is this poetic justice?

[DavidB.]

Buma and Rutte really really really really really really don't like each other. This matters.

[seb_pard]

In those municipalities in the north PVV has substantial gains, but SP has improved too. I hope, really hope, that the party will fight against PVV for the support of the working class, they mustn't give them to the hard right.

[seb_pard]

Rumors are that Denk is larger than PvdA in Rotterdam

Although that could said more about the state PvdA than Denk

PvdA joins the long list of socialist/social democratic parties in Europe that have become zombies. PASOK, PSOE, Irish Labour, French PS, UK Labour, MSZP, etc, etc.

Some of these parties are more dead than others. The Dutch and the Greek ones have dropped below 10%. Others are still polling above 10% or 20%. The magnitude of the catastrophe says that PvdA is the new PASOK. Is this poetic justice?

Poetic justice, I couldn't have said it better myself.

[GlobeSoc]

Implosion of PvdA+Decline of VVD= Massive rainbow of color

[SunSt0rm]

Buma and Rutte really really really really really really don't like each other. This matters.

True, but Rutte and Pechtold like each other, and Buma and Pechtold can work together. So it shouldnt be a problem

[Zinneke]

Rumors are that Denk is larger than PvdA in Rotterdam

Although that could said more about the state PvdA than Denk

PvdA joins the long list of socialist/social democratic parties in Europe that have become zombies. PASOK, PSOE, Irish Labour, French PS, UK Labour, MSZP, etc, etc.

Some of these parties are more dead than others. The Dutch and the Greek ones have dropped below 10%. Others are still polling above 10% or 20%. The magnitude of the catastrophe says that PvdA is the new PASOK. Is this poetic justice?

Netherlands is more due to a competetive electoral market. very easy to go from Samsom to Klaver. Very similar profiles, language, etc. Then the other disapointed go to D66 to check them out.

Greece I think had a lot to do with the entire country being on the brink of economic collapse.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

It's impressive to see the GL improve in the rural areas.

[Diouf]

And I guess if, as the prognosis shows, CDA will be so clearly in second, it will not look crazy weird if they at least try to pursue a centre-left coalition with Buma as PM. The ball is mostly in CDA's half in terms of which coalition we end up with. Probably still more likely to back Rutte, but not set in stone.

[SunSt0rm]

Bellwether Heemskerk:

VVD 24.3%
PVV 12.9%
D66 12.1%
CDA 11.5%
SP 9.3%
GL 9.3%
PvdA 6.1%

[seb_pard]

One question, is North Holland an hostile territory to CDA? Their rise there is much lower than in the rest of the country