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« Reply #250 on: July 29, 2015, 04:05:13 PM »

Thank you for offering the amendment in Section 1(b), Oakvale.  I do not think most governments would be able to show command of a majority of the Parliament!
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« Reply #251 on: July 29, 2015, 04:05:47 PM »

I support a 2/3 majority for electing the president for the reasons stated by Talleyrand.

I object to the amendment striking the two-thirds requirement, and move to vote on both of rpryor's amendments.

Why? 1d is literally a repeat of 1c.

Hahahahahaha, I thought it removed the whole acting President thing.. Objection removed.
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« Reply #252 on: July 29, 2015, 04:16:53 PM »

Yeah, I support oakvale's amendment and rpryor's amendment to remove the redundant clause. I still object to the removal of the 2/3 clauses though.
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« Reply #253 on: July 29, 2015, 04:17:57 PM »

Again, I think that it would be proper for an elected legislature to decide this.
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« Reply #254 on: July 29, 2015, 04:18:49 PM »

Again, I think that it would be proper for an elected legislature to decide this.

I agree but we sadly just voted down the bill to dissolve this provisional parliament (the Conservatives, I note, supported it Wink ) so it looks like we'll have to get through this.
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« Reply #255 on: July 29, 2015, 04:22:10 PM »

If I remember correctly, two issues we wanted to resolve before calling an election were the Head of State situation and voter eligibility. There's nothing stopping the first elected Parliament from altering or remaking them as it sees fit at the moment.
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« Reply #256 on: July 29, 2015, 04:32:57 PM »

Of course, but the rules should be created by an undoubtedly legitimate, elected Parliament. We are not the people's representatives until we stand for election.

The Conservative Party continues to support dissolving the provisional parliament and allowing the representatives of the people to handle these matters.
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« Reply #257 on: July 29, 2015, 04:39:38 PM »

May I make a suggestion, perhaps rephrase the bill to simply create an interim head of state who will oversee elections and commission the first government.  All parties could pledge to make the Presidency Bill the first order of business in the new Parliament.
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« Reply #258 on: July 29, 2015, 05:17:14 PM »

Amendment:

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Find someone non-controversial and respectable to serve as our first President, and we should be fine.
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« Reply #259 on: July 29, 2015, 05:36:22 PM »

I don't think there's any need for 1(b) to be specified.
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« Reply #260 on: July 29, 2015, 08:15:22 PM »

For what it is worth, the Pioneers oppose a dissolution until the basic functions of government can be firmly established.
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« Reply #261 on: July 29, 2015, 09:06:44 PM »

Given the objection of Talleyrand, a vote is now open on the following amendment proposal by rpryor03:

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« Reply #262 on: July 29, 2015, 09:07:21 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #263 on: July 29, 2015, 09:24:48 PM »

Um, Mr. Speaker, that's not the amendment Talleyrand abjected. Nor is it one any sane person would vote against, I don't think. It's literally the exact same thing as the previous line.

Regarding the actual discussion point on the bill, rpryor's other amendment, I like the idea of having a super-majority in parliament. If people would like to see it be less than 2/3rds, how about 3/5ths? That would probably be a nice compromise.

Thus, I propose this amendment:

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(Yeah, I understand the irony of a three-fifths compromise. But this is not like that one.)
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« Reply #264 on: July 29, 2015, 09:30:06 PM »

Yeah, wrong amendment TNF. Tongue I vote aye on striking 1d, but assuming you meant to post the amendment striking two-thirds, I'd vote nay on that.
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« Reply #265 on: July 29, 2015, 10:46:29 PM »

Leinard, why exactly is 3/5 better than 2/3? Not a fan of this amendment, as it's a perfect illustration of the fallacy of the mean.
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« Reply #266 on: July 29, 2015, 11:05:47 PM »

There is also the fact 3/5 of our body is 12.6 as opposed to an even 14 for 2/3.
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« Reply #267 on: July 29, 2015, 11:21:15 PM »
« Edited: July 30, 2015, 03:45:30 AM by Leinad, Southern Legislator »

There is also the fact 3/5 of our body is 12.6 as opposed to an even 14 for 2/3.

For one thing, we can round numbers, and for another thing, 21 isn't set in stone forever, it could very well be raised or lowered at some point.

Leinard, why exactly is 3/5 better than 2/3? Not a fan of this amendment, as it's a perfect illustration of the fallacy of the mean.

First of all...Leinard? I think that's intended to be a childish insult, but I can't quite tell what it means. Sorry if I've misread you and it's not.

Anyway, 3/5 might be better than 2/3 because those who prefer 1/2 + 1 might like it better. I agree with you that a larger majority would be better, and I was trying to help by making your plan more palatable to it's detractors. Why the hostile response?
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« Reply #268 on: July 30, 2015, 12:35:46 AM »

Nay

Leinard, why exactly is 3/5 better than 2/3? Not a fan of this amendment, as it's a perfect illustration of the fallacy of the mean.

First of all...Leinard? I think that's intended to be a childish insult, but I can't quite tell what it means.

Anyway, 3/5 might be better than 2/3 because those who prefer 1/2 + 1 might like it better. I agree with you that a larger majority would be better, and I was trying to help by making your plan more palatable to it's detractors. Why the hostile response?

You seriously need to stop being so touchy-feely. Not everything is meant to be an insult towards you. You're new so roll with the punches!
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« Reply #269 on: July 30, 2015, 01:16:24 AM »

You seriously need to stop being so touchy-feely. Not everything is meant to be an insult towards you. You're new so roll with the punches!

Eh, I don't look at it as touchy-feely, more just confused as to why Talleyrand responded unfavorably to my amendment, but I see what you mean. I'm not really a "touchy-feely" person, it's just when someone seems upset with me I like to know why, so I can fix any problems or simply avoid making those mistakes next time.

I apologize to Talleyrand if it was simply a typo, and maybe in general I should roll with the punches more often, but I don't like civility towards anyone, be it me or someone else. I'm not being "touchy-feely," I just think this forum is better with less name-calling and baseless accusations.


Anyway, this thread is for parliamentary discussion. Anything else can be taken to PMs, if need be. We were discussing the Presidential bill proposed by Talleyrand, we should get back to that.
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« Reply #270 on: July 30, 2015, 04:31:08 AM »

aye on striking 1(d)/nay on lowering the majority requirement to elect a president
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« Reply #271 on: July 30, 2015, 09:13:28 AM »

aye on striking 1(d)/nay on lowering the majority requirement to elect a president
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« Reply #272 on: July 30, 2015, 09:14:51 AM »

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« Reply #273 on: July 30, 2015, 10:06:37 AM »

I vote in the Party Room.
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« Reply #274 on: July 30, 2015, 10:28:24 AM »

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