Provisional Parliament: Voting on Amendment

[TNF]

I apologize for the confusion. Given that everyone who initially objected retracted their objection, I will treat the first amendment proposed by rproyor03 as having passed. Given the objection of Talleyrand, the second amendment will now be voted on. In the interest of time, those of you who specified a vote before will have those votes counted as such, unless you would like to retract your vote and vote a different way.

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[TNF]

Aye

[SWE]

Aye

[Oakvale]

Nay.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

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This wording should be changed as in its current form it technically outlaws minority governments.

[Murica!]

Aye.

[Hash]

Nay ftr

[Potus]

Nay.

[PJ]

Nay FTR

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This wording should be changed as in its current form it technically outlaws minority governments.

An amendment has been introduced for this.

[Talleyrand]

Nay

[Leinad]

Nay.

I like the idea of needing a supermajority to elect the president. The PM will already be elected by majority; it would be boring to do the same system for both.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Nay

[Simfan34]

Nay

[Blair]

Nay

[TNF]

The amendment has failed.

The following amendment has been proposed by oakvale. If there are no objections, we shall approve the changes and move on to the next proposed amendment, given there are plenty of them.

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[Хahar 🤔]

I see no reason to have that clause at all.

[Leinad]

I see no reason to have that clause at all.

Well, the Prime Minister needs to have the confidence of a majority in Parliament, right? The President can't just choose a member of a fringe party that doesn't have support as PM. We're not trying to make the President a dictator.

[Donerail]

I see no reason to have that clause at all.

Well, the Prime Minister needs to have the confidence of a majority in Parliament, right? The President can't just choose a member of a fringe party that doesn't have support as PM. We're not trying to make the President a dictator.

I'd assume in that case there'd immediately be a confidence vote, which either our fringe party PM would lose (throwing us back into elections) or they'd win (meaning they probably should be PM).

[Simfan34]

As I said earlier,

I would like the Prime Minister to serve at the pleasure of the President. Makes it more authentic.

[Хahar 🤔]

I see no reason to have that clause at all.

Well, the Prime Minister needs to have the confidence of a majority in Parliament, right? The President can't just choose a member of a fringe party that doesn't have support as PM. We're not trying to make the President a dictator.

That's self-evident and there's no need to explicitly spell it out. Someone said earlier that it would be a good idea to rely on convention, which is why we won't have a constitution. This is a spot where convention would work just fine.

[PJ]

I'm not going to object to Oakvale's amendment, since we shouldn't be outlawing minority governments, but I'd like to offer the following amendment.

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[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Aye; a totally separate bill should be considered on the need for a majority in parliament.

[TNF]

With no objections, the amendment has been adopted.

SJoyce's amendment is now presented for debate.

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[Leinad]

I object.

This is basically to only make the president temporary? Or to have us change it? Not sure why this needs to be done. If the role is inadequate, certainly we can come back and change the legislation on it.

Now, what's the argument in favor? (So that we can get each side before we vote.)

[Donerail]

The purpose of this amendment is to make this legislation temporary - all that is necessary for setting up an elected parliament, and nothing more. The newly elected Parliament will establish a permanent role for the President (as this is a debate more appropriately held by the democratically legitimized Parliament, and not this ad-hoc one thrown together for the purposes of simply getting this game running).