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Question: Should Rand use his dad on the Campaign Trail?
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Yes, but in a limited role
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Not sure.
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No, only if he won't talk about drugs or foreign polocy
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« on: July 20, 2015, 02:29:00 PM »

His campaign isn't really generating that much excitement and a lot of Libertarians have doubted if not abandoned him. I know it would be risky and Ron Paul's not the best speaker but Rand could control the content of his speeches and galvanize the support of more in the process. What do you guys think?
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2015, 02:48:06 PM »

I think he will eventually, and it should be to energize the Ron Paul base and get them behind Rand, not to convince others. For much of the Republican party, Ron is a negative figure and certainly would turn people off of Rand.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2015, 03:02:09 PM »

Rand Paul has been trying to simultaneously hold onto his father's libertarian supporters, cozy up to the Republican establishment, and court voters in the party's base.  In trying to do these three contradictory things at the same time, he's failed in all of them. 

The establishment is lukewarm toward him, conservatives are lukewarm toward him, libertarians are lukewarm toward him.  His campaign has become a lukewarm pile of disappointment and wasted potential. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2015, 03:19:53 PM »

Yes. He should have been a visible part of the campaign from day one. Why Rand thought that he could court a party elite that hates him, hates his family, and hates the political movement that swept him to office in the first place is beyond me.

Rand Paul has been trying to simultaneously hold onto his father's libertarian supporters, cozy up to the Republican establishment, and court voters in the party's base.  In trying to do these three contradictory things at the same time, he's failed in all of them.

The establishment is lukewarm toward him, conservatives are lukewarm toward him, libertarians are lukewarm toward him.  His campaign has become a lukewarm pile of disappointment and wasted potential. 

The sad part about all this is that Paul was the frontrunner for the nomination and the clear favourite among conservatives before he decided to rebrand himself. All he had to do was stick to his guns and ride the wave.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2015, 10:18:51 PM »

He'll have to at this point. He is losing his base.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2015, 10:42:26 PM »

Rand Paul has been trying to simultaneously hold onto his father's libertarian supporters, cozy up to the Republican establishment, and court voters in the party's base.  In trying to do these three contradictory things at the same time, he's failed in all of them. 

The establishment is lukewarm toward him, conservatives are lukewarm toward him, libertarians are lukewarm toward him.  His campaign has become a lukewarm pile of disappointment and wasted potential. 

This pretty much says it all.

http://rare.us/story/rand-paul-found-guilty-of-not-clapping-hard-enough-for-bibi-netanyahu/
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2015, 10:34:58 AM »

His campaign isn't really generating that much excitement and a lot of Libertarians have doubted if not abandoned him. I know it would be risky and Ron Paul's not the best speaker but Rand could control the content of his speeches and galvanize the support of more in the process. What do you guys think?
This is exactly why I can't take Paul criticism seriously. It's either people blatantly lie or have no knowledge of the liberty movement.

Yes. He should have been a visible part of the campaign from day one. Why Rand thought that he could court a party elite that hates him, hates his family, and hates the political movement that swept him to office in the first place is beyond me.

Rand Paul has been trying to simultaneously hold onto his father's libertarian supporters, cozy up to the Republican establishment, and court voters in the party's base.  In trying to do these three contradictory things at the same time, he's failed in all of them.

The establishment is lukewarm toward him, conservatives are lukewarm toward him, libertarians are lukewarm toward him.  His campaign has become a lukewarm pile of disappointment and wasted potential. 

The sad part about all this is that Paul was the frontrunner for the nomination and the clear favourite among conservatives before he decided to rebrand himself. All he had to do was stick to his guns and ride the wave.
He was the frontrunner when rarely anyone was making noise about 2016. That's not a legitimate frontrunner.
Again, it amazes me how people think libertarians are overwhelmingly leaving Rand. This myth is absurd.
I'm a pretty big supporter of Rand Paul, but you have to admit, this doesn't seem to be going anywhere right now. He really ought to bring his father.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2015, 10:38:44 AM »

Well, he has to decide whether he wants to go after the Libertarian vote or the Conservative vote. He can't do both.

If he wants to do the former, then yes, he should bring his father.
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2015, 02:51:22 PM »

The only reason anybody is interested in him is his father. Yes, of course, he should.
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2015, 07:00:52 PM »

I voted "yes, on a limited basis", which would be to bring Ron Paul in to keep Rand's base enthused. 

One of Rand Paul's biggest assets, which seems to be rarely mentioned, is that he, and not Bush, Kasich, Walker, or even Trump, is the guy that polls the best against the Democrats.  You would think this would keep Rand in the game.  In the last two election cycles, the GOP nominated the guys that polled the best against the Democrats (Romney and McCain), and Rand is now that guy, at least the last time I checked.

There's a reason for that.  Rand Paul has some appeal to social liberals who have voted Democratic, but whom are middle class or above and not in need of the safety net; these voters are almost tailor-made for a guy like Rand Paul.  These folks tend to be anti-war and don't want the government kicking down their bedroom door.  While Rand is pro-life, he's not pro-life in the kind of religious way that annoys Democrats.  Not all of these folks are ready to defect to Rand, but some are, and enough to make a statistical noise.

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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2015, 07:11:40 PM »

Anybody who absolutely hates Ron Paul and would be turned off by the mere sight of him was probably never going to be a Rand Paul voter in the first place. However, there are a lot of people who seriously like the guy, and if Rand can't get those people out to vote for him, he has no chance at the nomination.
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2015, 07:22:31 PM »

Rand got the memo that he needs to do something to get noticed so here he was earlier today...



problem solved
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2015, 07:47:46 PM »

Rand got the memo that he needs to do something to get noticed so here he was earlier today...



problem solved

What on earth is he even doing in that picture?
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2015, 08:31:27 PM »

Rand got the memo that he needs to do something to get noticed so here he was earlier today...



problem solved

What on earth is he even doing in that picture?

Taking a chainsaw to the tax code.
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2015, 09:42:23 PM »

Ron should immediately jump in the race, claim his son is soft on the issue of big government chemtrails and rocket to first place.

The trouble with Rand is he wanted to escape the cranks that made up his father's base, and now he has nobody.
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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2015, 11:02:45 PM »

His campaign isn't really generating that much excitement and a lot of Libertarians have doubted if not abandoned him. I know it would be risky and Ron Paul's not the best speaker but Rand could control the content of his speeches and galvanize the support of more in the process. What do you guys think?
This is exactly why I can't take Paul criticism seriously. It's either people blatantly lie or have no knowledge of the liberty movement.

Yes. He should have been a visible part of the campaign from day one. Why Rand thought that he could court a party elite that hates him, hates his family, and hates the political movement that swept him to office in the first place is beyond me.

Rand Paul has been trying to simultaneously hold onto his father's libertarian supporters, cozy up to the Republican establishment, and court voters in the party's base.  In trying to do these three contradictory things at the same time, he's failed in all of them.

The establishment is lukewarm toward him, conservatives are lukewarm toward him, libertarians are lukewarm toward him.  His campaign has become a lukewarm pile of disappointment and wasted potential. 

The sad part about all this is that Paul was the frontrunner for the nomination and the clear favourite among conservatives before he decided to rebrand himself. All he had to do was stick to his guns and ride the wave.
He was the frontrunner when rarely anyone was making noise about 2016. That's not a legitimate frontrunner.
Again, it amazes me how people think libertarians are overwhelmingly leaving Rand. This myth is absurd.

Well Gary Johnson refused to endorse him even before he declared and if you go on any libertarian Facebook page you'll find a fair amount of people critical of him. He's disappointed a lot of folks with the Romney endorsement and his criticisms of the Iran deal.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2015, 09:19:15 PM »

Yes, if he wants to lose more badly than he already will.
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2015, 09:19:56 PM »

Ron Paul was a fad, not a movement. This guy has no base in the Republican Party.
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2015, 09:20:25 PM »

Ron Paul was a fad, not a movement. This guy has no base in the Republican Party.
Your username is really living up to your post. So whose sock are you?
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2015, 07:49:13 PM »

His campaign isn't really generating that much excitement and a lot of Libertarians have doubted if not abandoned him. I know it would be risky and Ron Paul's not the best speaker but Rand could control the content of his speeches and galvanize the support of more in the process. What do you guys think?
This is exactly why I can't take Paul criticism seriously. It's either people blatantly lie or have no knowledge of the liberty movement.

Yes. He should have been a visible part of the campaign from day one. Why Rand thought that he could court a party elite that hates him, hates his family, and hates the political movement that swept him to office in the first place is beyond me.

Rand Paul has been trying to simultaneously hold onto his father's libertarian supporters, cozy up to the Republican establishment, and court voters in the party's base.  In trying to do these three contradictory things at the same time, he's failed in all of them.

The establishment is lukewarm toward him, conservatives are lukewarm toward him, libertarians are lukewarm toward him.  His campaign has become a lukewarm pile of disappointment and wasted potential. 

The sad part about all this is that Paul was the frontrunner for the nomination and the clear favourite among conservatives before he decided to rebrand himself. All he had to do was stick to his guns and ride the wave.
He was the frontrunner when rarely anyone was making noise about 2016. That's not a legitimate frontrunner.
Again, it amazes me how people think libertarians are overwhelmingly leaving Rand. This myth is absurd.

"Myth"? Maybe it has to do with those pesky poll numbers.
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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2015, 08:29:46 PM »

He ceirtanly needs his father.

And better dead if you ask me.

A Ron Paul funeral with thousands of videos in youtube of thousands of young cult followers in a torch parade with candles and with Rand doing the final eulogy would energize his campaign.
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2015, 08:48:53 PM »

Ron Paul was a fad, not a movement. This guy has no base in the Republican Party.

A movement that brings together gold buggery, conspiracy theorists, angry potheads who don't like taxes, militia/patriot movement, and suburbanite sheltered kids who agree on everything their dad says besides a few social issues.  AKA: Libertarians.

Might qualify as a movement... somewhat.... ahh sort of...




He ceirtanly needs his father.

And better dead if you ask me.

A Ron Paul funeral with thousands of videos in youtube of thousands of young cult followers in a torch parade with candles and with Rand doing the final eulogy would energize his campaign.


Better yet if he wants to boost Rand's campaign. He should be the guy at throws gold, silver and bitcoins at the crowd. And do a ITS HAPPENING. Dance while it happens.
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2015, 08:52:31 PM »

well something has happened to Paul's support. Ron Paul's national polls were in the mid teens in 2012 and he also got around 11% of the raw vote. Rand Paul's polling numbers started in the mid teens in 2013 and were that way up through the end of last year but now his support has been cut in half and more. His current RCP avg is 5.6%.   It could be libertarians are abandoning him or tea partiers or both. But the plan was that Rand Paul was going to start with his fathers core of 10-15% of the GOP and grow that. That plan doesn't seem to be working
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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2015, 05:25:31 AM »

The plan was that Rand Paul was going to start with his fathers core of 10-15% of the GOP and grow that. That plan doesn't seem to be working
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