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« on: July 20, 2015, 04:02:20 PM »

In my case I probably would be considered a moderate hero on guns since I favor some modest gun control measures like background checks and requiring a licensing course but after that fully support a universal right to bear arms and agreed with the majority in DC vs Heller. I think that you should have the right to open carry but also think that your kind of a jackass and a coward if you feel the need to bring a gun into starbucks or chipolte. I find both the extremes on both sides of the issue to be equally annoying.

On Affirmative Action I've always thought of my stance as being more of a class oriented Socialist position in that I think it should be based soely on class as opposed to race or gender. I fully agree with the notion that if you work hard but maybe came from a disadvantaged background you should be given a hand up, I just think that it should be based on whose struggling presently and saying that the son of a black doctor should be entitled to extra consideration but a white kid that's dirt poor from Appalachia or maybe a new immigrant from Eastern Europe is fundamentally classist. I consider this position to be to the left of race based AA but some would probably consider it moderate heroism.
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2015, 04:14:20 PM »

Foreign policy, to some extent. Though really I'm just a liberal internationalist.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2015, 04:20:14 PM »

Moderate heroism isn't being centrist as much as it is staking a middle ground between two sides. Almost any position can hypothetically be a moderate hero one: for example, Canadian style single payer could be considered the moderate hero option between socialized medicine and public option healthcare.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2015, 05:48:28 PM »

Moderate heroism isn't being centrist as much as it is staking a middle ground between two sides. Almost any position can hypothetically be a moderate hero one: for example, Canadian style single payer could be considered the moderate hero option between socialized medicine and public option healthcare.

Good point, I have encountered some true moderate heroes and while I like nuance they just struck me as too cowardly to take a stand on anything and prone to false equivilances.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2015, 06:00:31 PM »

Are you a "moderate hero" on any issues?

yep.  pretty much all of them.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2015, 06:09:39 PM »

... The point of moderate heroism is not reasoned centrism, but the sort of people who take the middle ground for no reason other than the fetishisation of the political middle.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2015, 08:45:24 PM »

Sure, fair trade advocacy is pretty much considered moderate heroism between protectionism and free trade.
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2015, 09:40:06 PM »

... The point of moderate heroism is not reasoned centrism, but the sort of people who take the middle ground for no reason other than the fetishisation of the political middle.

Yeah, this. Calling someone a "moderate hero" because their opinion on one issue is between two other opinions is just as bad as being a moderate hero.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2015, 11:04:00 PM »

I find few issues are cut and dried to one extreme or the other. Nuance is the order of the day on most public policy. That said, I often have to choose between two less-than-ideal options since that is all that is available. Yet, just because I must choose doesn't mean that I can't still espouse a nuanced position.

Is that moderate hero enough?
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2015, 11:07:54 PM »

Maybe immigration and affirmative action.
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2015, 02:20:23 AM »

Immigration, also Medicare and Medicaid.
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2015, 11:46:39 AM »

I find few issues are cut and dried to one extreme or the other. Nuance is the order of the day on most public policy. That said, I often have to choose between two less-than-ideal options since that is all that is available. Yet, just because I must choose doesn't mean that I can't still espouse a nuanced position.

^^^^This.  A minimum number of options may be all that is available or all that is practically available given the group of people one works with. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2015, 12:49:26 PM »

Healthcare (supporting Obamacare without the mandate instead of completely private insurance and socialized healthcare) and trade (supporting a middle road between free trade and protectionism). Everything else I'm conservative on, except for the few issues where I'm very liberal (immigration, etc.)
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2015, 02:57:56 PM »

I'm a Moderate Hero on Atlas vs. AAD.  Though the nature of that Moderate Heroism has recently changed from "both places are good" to "both places suck," alas.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2015, 10:06:22 PM »

I'm a Moderate Hero on Atlas vs. AAD.  Though the nature of that Moderate Heroism has recently changed from "both places are good" to "both places suck," alas.

Can't you at least give the AAD admins credit? Because they handled this perfectly, much better than Atlas did.
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2015, 10:10:58 PM »

Trade is an issue where I find myself agreeing with both sides at times (although the protectionist side is barely represented in North American politics nowadays).
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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2015, 05:44:13 AM »

I'm a Moderate Hero on Atlas vs. AAD.  Though the nature of that Moderate Heroism has recently changed from "both places are good" to "both places suck," alas.

Can't you at least give the AAD admins credit? Because they handled this perfectly, much better than Atlas did.

The fact they haven't banned Tweed (and have no intent to do so) makes them utterly unworthy of any credit.
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2015, 10:33:47 AM »

I have nuance on a lot of issues, but full on moderate hero? I guess Immigration.
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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2015, 06:42:02 PM »

Healthcare, definitely healthcare. I support Obamacare more out of a "both sides suck" POV rather than any real attachment to it. Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2015, 09:38:01 AM »

I'm a Moderate Hero on Atlas vs. AAD.  Though the nature of that Moderate Heroism has recently changed from "both places are good" to "both places suck," alas.

Can't you at least give the AAD admins credit? Because they handled this perfectly, much better than Atlas did.

The fact they haven't banned Tweed (and have no intent to do so) makes them utterly unworthy of any credit.

Better to have 1 desevred ban go free than to have 2 undeserved bans.
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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2015, 10:12:15 AM »

I'm a Moderate Hero on Atlas vs. AAD.  Though the nature of that Moderate Heroism has recently changed from "both places are good" to "both places suck," alas.

Can't you at least give the AAD admins credit? Because they handled this perfectly, much better than Atlas did.

The fact they haven't banned Tweed (and have no intent to do so) makes them utterly unworthy of any credit.

Better to have 1 desevred ban go free than to have 2 undeserved bans.

Not necessarily. And besides, the only one who gets to decide whether a ban is "deserved" or not is Dave.
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2015, 07:53:14 PM »

I blew a perfect -10.00/-10.00 matrix score because I'm a moderate on gun control. :/
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2015, 07:45:03 PM »

By goofy Atlas standards?  Yeah, I'm sure I'm the embodiment of the term.

In the real, functioning world?  I guess maybe the death penalty?  I usually have my position and believe in it.  The "moderate" label I wear proudly stems more from having several views that are left of center and several views that are right of center.  I believe it to be suspicious (statistically speaking) to believe in too many liberal or conservative causes, especially ones that have no coherent connection, like gun control and abortion.
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2015, 07:49:51 PM »

Gay Marriage maybe Medicare, Social Security.
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2015, 07:51:55 PM »

Capitalism in general perhaps (though I tend to have clearer opinions on the related sub-issues). Also foreign intervention.
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