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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2015, 10:46:48 AM »

So he doesn't rule out third party anymore? Damn that was fast.
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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2015, 12:01:24 PM »

Dadgummit trump
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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2015, 01:43:42 PM »

Didn't even last 24 hours lmao.
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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2015, 01:51:17 PM »

Donald Trump will never be president but he does have the power to all but ensure that Hillary is the next President. The GOP campaign has become a hostage crisis
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« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2015, 03:29:07 PM »

"Hillary's always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job" - Donald Trump, 2007

"In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat" - Donald Trump, 2004

1) That was before Barack Obama destroyed America, with his hope. Barack Obama has radicalized many good Americans, hard working Americans, white Americans, many of whom were Hillary Clinton's base when she was running against Obama. They have streamed in droves to the GOP on the basis of the Tea Party movement, and that is how the GOP won landslide victories in 2010 and 2014. Are you saying that the GOP should not welcome these people into the party? I say, the party is just getting started. Drink a little wine, have a little cracker, and mingle with the newly arrived guests.

2) That's just good business practice. And Donald Trump is a businessman. A successful businessman, who knows how to get things done. That's what he has a track record of doing. And to get anything done in America, you have to curry favor with both parties, to manipulate the instruments of power from all angles. And that's exactly what Donald Trump has done. And when Donald Trump is President, that's exactly what he will continue to do, and that is how he will get his program through Congress, whereas any other candidate without his experience of playing both sides off against each other will get nothing done and be stuck in gridlock forever. It is precisely for this reason that Trump has the potential to be the most legislatively successful President since LBJ.

Donald Trump's positions on issues have been to the left of Barack Obama even. Trump is a bigger socialist than Obama, so what you are saying is that the kinds of Keynesian economic policies Trump promoted 15 years ago have now failed.

Republicans under performed in 2010 and 2012 because candidates like Todd Akin made silly comments that made no sense. Donald Trump has done the same thing, it's not the path to victory.

Donald Trump is not a successful businessman, he is a successful recipient of corporate welfare. Republicns and Democrats dislike Donald Trump, so he wouldn't be able to get anything done. Also, he is not proposing any policies, he's just using rhetoric and generally calling for protectionist trade policies. Building a wall is not an immigration policy, and ending free trade will only cause us to enter a depression.

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« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2015, 04:36:06 PM »

Donald Trump will never be president but he does have the power to all but ensure that Hillary is the next President. The GOP campaign has become a hostage crisis

If Silvio Berlusconi can become PM of Italy, Donald Trump can become President of the United States. Do not misunderestimate him.
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« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2015, 04:40:05 PM »

Building a wall is not an immigration policy, and ending free trade will only cause us to enter a depression.

Building a wall is more of an immigration policy than not building one, and it will also create jobs building it.

Donald Trump has never said he wants to "end free trade." He just wants to be smart when making deals with other countries, to not let them take advantage of us. That will strengthen the economy, not hurt it.
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« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2015, 04:40:06 PM »

Donald Trump will never be president but he does have the power to all but ensure that Hillary is the next President. The GOP campaign has become a hostage crisis

If Silvio Berlusconi can become PM of Italy, Donald Trump can become President of the United States. Do not misunderestimate him.

this will be my first and last time replying to you. Not buying the act and I dont think the rest of us are.  Not sure what you are getting out of this performance art but most of us are here for political discussions and analysis and even some partisan debate. This is not political cosplay/fan fiction.

Goodbye

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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2015, 02:13:23 PM »

Today on Morning Joe hijacker candidate Trump laid out his hostage demands explained his position

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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2015, 05:48:03 PM »

"Hillary's always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job" - Donald Trump, 2007

"In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat" - Donald Trump, 2004

1) That was before Barack Obama destroyed America, with his hope. Barack Obama has radicalized many good Americans, hard working Americans, white Americans, many of whom were Hillary Clinton's base when she was running against Obama. They have streamed in droves to the GOP on the basis of the Tea Party movement, and that is how the GOP won landslide victories in 2010 and 2014. Are you saying that the GOP should not welcome these people into the party? I say, the party is just getting started. Drink a little wine, have a little cracker, and mingle with the newly arrived guests.

2) That's just good business practice. And Donald Trump is a businessman. A successful businessman, who knows how to get things done. That's what he has a track record of doing. And to get anything done in America, you have to curry favor with both parties, to manipulate the instruments of power from all angles. And that's exactly what Donald Trump has done. And when Donald Trump is President, that's exactly what he will continue to do, and that is how he will get his program through Congress, whereas any other candidate without his experience of playing both sides off against each other will get nothing done and be stuck in gridlock forever. It is precisely for this reason that Trump has the potential to be the most legislatively successful President since LBJ.

Donald Trump's positions on issues have been to the left of Barack Obama even. Trump is a bigger socialist than Obama, so what you are saying is that the kinds of Keynesian economic policies Trump promoted 15 years ago have now failed.

Republicans under performed in 2010 and 2012 because candidates like Todd Akin made silly comments that made no sense. Donald Trump has done the same thing, it's not the path to victory.

Donald Trump is not a successful businessman, he is a successful recipient of corporate welfare. Republicns and Democrats dislike Donald Trump, so he wouldn't be able to get anything done. Also, he is not proposing any policies, he's just using rhetoric and generally calling for protectionist trade policies. Building a wall is not an immigration policy, and ending free trade will only cause us to enter a depression.



Dude, if you are not a paid hack for the Bush campaign, please seek help. Go talk to a therapist.
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« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2015, 08:14:08 AM »

I am, in all likelihood, voting for Trump in Florida's GOP primary (if he's still around).  That's probably because, all thing considered, he's advocating the kind of positions I would take (not a perfect one-to-one match, but close).  I'm a social conservative who is skeptical of "immigration reform" and I look askance at "free trade", plus, I'm anti-war.  I never thought I'd be voting for Trump, but it turns out that he's closest to my own positions on issues, and I'm not real impressed by the "character" of most of the other candidates.  And I believe that it's time to end the Bush Family's prominent place in our politics.  They (the Bushes) are more responsible for the corporate tilt of the GOP that has caused the shrinking of the middle class, together (fittingly) with the loss of GOP hegemony in Presidential elections.

What I don't get is why people are so bent out of shape as to Trump's presence in the GOP race.  Are his issue positions THAT out of line with the GOP?  Hardly; he's far closer to the GOP than the Democrats, issue by issue.  Is he unqualified?  It's hypocritical of the GOP to say that; they boosted Mitt Romney not as a Governor, but as a "businessman" and "job creator" (the latter of which proved to be a partially false narrative that helped do Romney in).  They wanted him to ignore his record as Governor because (A) it was a moderate record, and (B) it would focus on Romneycare, which is similar to Obamacare.  His comments on immigration?  How are these more outrageous than "self-deportation"; they actually address the SPECIFIC problems caused by unchecked illegal immigration?

Trump bends folks out of shape because he's a viable candidate, due to his ability to self-fund.  He's not "unqualified", not by the standards of Steve Forbes.  He's not out of line with the GOP; he represents a portion of the GOP that's gotten short shrift over the years (the anti-free trade nationalist GOP).  Trump's presence in the race forces other candidates to be intellectually honest and actually defend their positions in the PRIMARY season (where every candidate would prefer to concentrate on their "electability"). 
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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2015, 09:17:16 AM »

I am, in all likelihood, voting for Trump in Florida's GOP primary (if he's still around).  That's probably because, all thing considered, he's advocating the kind of positions I would take (not a perfect one-to-one match, but close).  I'm a social conservative who is skeptical of "immigration reform" and I look askance at "free trade", plus, I'm anti-war.  I never thought I'd be voting for Trump, but it turns out that he's closest to my own positions on issues, and I'm not real impressed by the "character" of most of the other candidates.  And I believe that it's time to end the Bush Family's prominent place in our politics.  They (the Bushes) are more responsible for the corporate tilt of the GOP that has caused the shrinking of the middle class, together (fittingly) with the loss of GOP hegemony in Presidential elections.

What I don't get is why people are so bent out of shape as to Trump's presence in the GOP race.  Are his issue positions THAT out of line with the GOP?  Hardly; he's far closer to the GOP than the Democrats, issue by issue.  Is he unqualified?  It's hypocritical of the GOP to say that; they boosted Mitt Romney not as a Governor, but as a "businessman" and "job creator" (the latter of which proved to be a partially false narrative that helped do Romney in).  They wanted him to ignore his record as Governor because (A) it was a moderate record, and (B) it would focus on Romneycare, which is similar to Obamacare.  His comments on immigration?  How are these more outrageous than "self-deportation"; they actually address the SPECIFIC problems caused by unchecked illegal immigration?

Trump bends folks out of shape because he's a viable candidate, due to his ability to self-fund.  He's not "unqualified", not by the standards of Steve Forbes.  He's not out of line with the GOP; he represents a portion of the GOP that's gotten short shrift over the years (the anti-free trade nationalist GOP).  Trump's presence in the race forces other candidates to be intellectually honest and actually defend their positions in the PRIMARY season (where every candidate would prefer to concentrate on their "electability"). 

First of all, Trump is basically pro-choice. He has said that while he's personally pro-life, he believes that it's up to a woman and her doctor. That is the pro-choice position. Secondly, Trump was not there to raise his younger daughter. He's not exactly strong on family values.

He is more out of line with the GOP than many Democrats. He's for universal health care, a 14% wealth tax, against free trade agreements which have created high wage jobs, and he's weak on property rights.

Mitt Romney was successful in business without the help of government, unlike Mr. Trump who relied on millions he inherited and the help of big government and crony capitalism.

Trump is offensive because he's a bigot and makes stupid statements not based on fact. He is an embarrassment not only to the Republican Party, but to the nation.
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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2015, 12:41:47 PM »

He is more out of line with the GOP than many Democrats. He's for universal health care, a 14% wealth tax,

Seriously, dudeabides, you need to stop harping on that.  Trump, as far as we know, has not endorsed those positions since 2000, and it's doubtful his support for them was ever out of genuine belief anyway.
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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2015, 12:56:35 PM »

He is more out of line with the GOP than many Democrats. He's for universal health care, a 14% wealth tax,

Seriously, dudeabides, you need to stop harping on that.  Trump, as far as we know, has not endorsed those positions since 2000, and it's doubtful his support for them was ever out of genuine belief anyway.
Why wouldn't they be? He wasn't a politician at the time. What would he really gain from lying about his beliefs?

Well, maybe so, but dude abides' constant invocation of those stances is still extremely annoying, as is his claim that Donald Trump must be a socialist because he expressed support for those stances fifteen years ago, even tho those are left-liberal, not socialist stances.

Also, I'm pretty sure Trump thought about running for president in 2000, and those positions could plausibly have been posturing, but I'll acknowledge I have no way of knowing.
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« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2015, 02:28:35 PM »

He is more out of line with the GOP than many Democrats. He's for universal health care, a 14% wealth tax,

Seriously, dudeabides, you need to stop harping on that.  Trump, as far as we know, has not endorsed those positions since 2000, and it's doubtful his support for them was ever out of genuine belief anyway.
Why wouldn't they be? He wasn't a politician at the time. What would he really gain from lying about his beliefs?

Well, maybe so, but dude abides' constant invocation of those stances is still extremely annoying, as is his claim that Donald Trump must be a socialist because he expressed support for those stances fifteen years ago, even tho those are left-liberal, not socialist stances.

Also, I'm pretty sure Trump thought about running for president in 2000, and those positions could plausibly have been posturing, but I'll acknowledge I have no way of knowing.

Those are all positions Donald Trump has had and he has not changed positions to my knowledge. He opposes Obamacare, but so do socialists who want the kind of universal health care he has advocated for.

He is more out of line with the GOP than many Democrats. He's for universal health care, a 14% wealth tax,

Seriously, dudeabides, you need to stop harping on that.  Trump, as far as we know, has not endorsed those positions since 2000, and it's doubtful his support for them was ever out of genuine belief anyway.
Why wouldn't they be? He wasn't a politician at the time. What would he really gain from lying about his beliefs?

He's a fraud, and that's my point.
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« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2015, 02:35:40 PM »

He is more out of line with the GOP than many Democrats. He's for universal health care, a 14% wealth tax,

Seriously, dudeabides, you need to stop harping on that.  Trump, as far as we know, has not endorsed those positions since 2000, and it's doubtful his support for them was ever out of genuine belief anyway.
Why wouldn't they be? He wasn't a politician at the time. What would he really gain from lying about his beliefs?

Well, maybe so, but dude abides' constant invocation of those stances is still extremely annoying, as is his claim that Donald Trump must be a socialist because he expressed support for those stances fifteen years ago, even tho those are left-liberal, not socialist stances.

Also, I'm pretty sure Trump thought about running for president in 2000, and those positions could plausibly have been posturing, but I'll acknowledge I have no way of knowing.

Those are all positions Donald Trump has had and he has not changed positions to my knowledge. He opposes Obamacare, but so do socialists who want the kind of universal health care he has advocated for.

He is more out of line with the GOP than many Democrats. He's for universal health care, a 14% wealth tax,

Seriously, dudeabides, you need to stop harping on that.  Trump, as far as we know, has not endorsed those positions since 2000, and it's doubtful his support for them was ever out of genuine belief anyway.
Why wouldn't they be? He wasn't a politician at the time. What would he really gain from lying about his beliefs?

He's a fraud, and that's my point.
Dude, it was 16 years ago, stop trying to make something outa nothing.  It is extreamly hackish.
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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2015, 06:17:49 PM »

Today on Morning Joe hijacker candidate Trump laid out his hostage demands explained his position

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At least Trump will probably get to participate in a debate soon. The Democratic debate plan seems to be designed to keep Clinton as the front runner. DWS is a total Clinton hack for not having scheduled a single debate, when 5 had already happened at this point in 2008.
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« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2015, 05:09:34 AM »

As a member of the Reform Party who brought in Pat Buchanan and Jesse Ventura, he doesnt measure up to any them and would never get 15 percent to qualify for debates.

Really? He's currently at 20-something percent in a 3-way race, and his name recognition and probably popularity dwarfs both Buchanan and Ventura.

I'm fine with this for now. It is a good way for Donald to increase his poll numbers and consolidate his support for the meanwhile.

However, if the GOP establishment tries any tricks and steals the nomination away from him and betrays the American voters, then he will be fully justified in running as an independent.
Knowing that voters like you exist gives me so much hope for the future of America.

Retrumplican is an obvious troll. If someone can read anything he says and not automatically figure that out, I'd be worried about that person.

"Hillary's always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job" - Donald Trump, 2007

"In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat" - Donald Trump, 2004

I will never understand you're Jeb Bush fanboyism, but your obsession with advertising for Jeb has became a good thing in that you're saying the truth about Trump: he's not a conservative.

And to everyone else: he was in the political sphere at this point. He ran for the Reform Party nomination in 2000.

Trump is a bigger socialist than Obama

But then you ruin it with falsehoods. Neither Obama nor Trump is a socialist. Look at posters on this forum, and look at the socialists. Look at what Bernie Sanders says--and he's just a moderate socialist. Even most of the mainstream European left-of-center politicians aren't truly "socialists." Really, that word is just a code word to attack anyone left-of-center economically by harkening to Cold War days when socialists and especially the damn commies were enemies of freedom and whatnot.
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