Dems Only- Stickin' together

[A18]

The GOP under Bush is morphing into a big government, anti-states' rights organization. Therefore libertarians have no place to go (outside of the LP). It's not the ideal situation.

You have to look not at what the factions in the party advocate, but what will get done, and what the alternative is.

I agree that the GOP is not fully libertarian by any stretch of the immagination. Saying so would be a joke. It's just much better than the Democrats.

Now, I understand supporting divided government, which might good for libertarianism sometimes, though I disagree that that's the case now. But wanting Democrats in power is philosophical suicide.

[Emsworth]

What social issues are they libertarian on?

Establishment of religion and freedom of religion, abortion, homosexuality, freedom of speech, the death penalty, right to privacy, rights of the accused, and several others.

To be perfectly clear, I am definitely a civil libertarian, and a moderate fiscal libertarian. The Democratic Party is not inappropriate.

[A18]

None of those are opposed by the Republican Party, except abortion and the establishment of religion.

[A18]

The GOP under Bush is morphing into a big government, anti-states' rights organization. Therefore libertarians have no place to go (outside of the LP). It's not the ideal situation.

The Democrats have led the way for change before. If the Republicans steal their agenda and it stops working, the Dems could begin to champion Jeffersonian ideas again. The Democrats rendered the Socialist Party unnecessary in the 30's and perhaps they will do the same for the Libertarian Party in this century. I believe they are at least open to new ideas.

The GOP agenda remains completely opposite of that of the Democrats, and the Democrats are still the ones supporting bigger government, higher taxes, and more gun control.

If the Democrats become libertarian, THEN they'll be the biggest hope for libertarianism. But they're not, and they're not more libertarian, so in their present state, they're nothing but libertarianism's greatest threat.

[Rob]

NewFederalist, I hope the Democrats move in the future toward a more Jeffersonian ideology; but I wouldn't count on it.

A18, I supported Kerry because of the alternative that the GOP offered. Kerry may have been marginally better than Bush, who simply is not a conservative. Authoritarian? Definitely. But his ideology has little or no resemblance to Goldwater Republicanism, which was the closest to true libertarianism ever embraced by a major party.

Basically, I'll just hope for a Sanford nomination in '08. Bredesen (on the Democratic side) would be excellent as well.

[Emsworth]

None of those are opposed by the Republican Party, except abortion and the establishment of religion.

In effect, though, the Republican Party favors laws respecting the establishment of religion. Note, for instance, George W. Bush's faith-based initiatives.

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The GOP under Bush is morphing into a big government, anti-states' rights organization. Therefore libertarians have no place to go (outside of the LP). It's not the ideal situation.

The Democrats have led the way for change before. If the Republicans steal their agenda and it stops working, the Dems could begin to champion Jeffersonian ideas again. The Democrats rendered the Socialist Party unnecessary in the 30's and perhaps they will do the same for the Libertarian Party in this century. I believe they are at least open to new ideas.

The GOP agenda remains completely opposite of that of the Democrats, and the Democrats are still the ones supporting bigger government, higher taxes, and more gun control.

If the Democrats become libertarian, THEN they'll be the biggest hope for libertarianism. But they're not, and they're not more libertarian, so in their present state, they're nothing but libertarianism's greatest threat.

The Libtertarian party is obviously much closer to the Democratic party than the Republican party on social issues. As for fiscal issues, if you want massive increases in federal discrentionary spending and large deficits, vote Republican. If you want fiscal responsiblity, vote Democrat.

[TheWildCard]

We must stick together.  Look at how organized the wingers were. 

LOL the trick is getting moderates to vote with you a believe most of the libertarians voted for FDR over Bush, true you could probably get a few more Dem.s but both sides are equal as far as organization.

[No more McShame]

We must stick together.  Look at how organized the wingers were. 

Wingers?  Are you talking about Detroit?  I wouldn't call any hockey club very organized right now.

[Speed of Sound]

I think that we need to eliminate Hoover next round

[Rob]

I think that we need to eliminate Hoover next round

You should love Hoover- he was quite liberal.

[jokerman]

The Republicans have done the utter crime of eliminating FDR.

We shall exert our revenge by eliminating Reagan.  Democrats, unite!

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The Republicans have done the utter crime of eliminating FDR.

We shall exert our revenge by eliminating Reagan.  Democrats, unite!

If we can't get rid of George W. Bush, how the hell can we get rid of Reagan? Basically everyone who dislikes Reagan dislikes Bush, and then some.

[Emsworth]

The Republicans have done the utter crime of eliminating FDR.

Why do so many Democrats support FDR? The New Deal, FDR's most significant legacy, didn't actually accomplish anything important at all.

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Reagan's economic policies weren't particularly effective, so I wouldn't mind. Perhaps, however, it would be easier to remove someone like the current President first.

[jokerman]

The Republicans have done the utter crime of eliminating FDR.

We shall exert our revenge by eliminating Reagan.  Democrats, unite!

If we can't get rid of George W. Bush, how the hell can we get rid of Reagan? Basically everyone who dislikes Reagan likes Bush, and then some.

The Left outnumbers the right on this site, that is obvious.  Our main problem is that we've let the right out-smart us.  If we unite under one candidate we can succeed.

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The Republicans have done the utter crime of eliminating FDR.

We shall exert our revenge by eliminating Reagan.  Democrats, unite!

If we can't get rid of George W. Bush, how the hell can we get rid of Reagan? Basically everyone who dislikes Reagan likes Bush, and then some.

The Left outnumbers the right on this site, that is obvious.  Our main problem is that we've let the right out-smart us.  If we unite under one candidate we can succeed.

I don't think so, almost everyone voted for FDR or Dubya, and FDR lost.

[Emsworth]

Well, I would note that the Senate bracket going on in the Congressional Elections page has had overwhelmingly Democratic results due to straight party-line voting.

[jokerman]

The Republicans have done the utter crime of eliminating FDR.

We shall exert our revenge by eliminating Reagan.  Democrats, unite!

If we can't get rid of George W. Bush, how the hell can we get rid of Reagan? Basically everyone who dislikes Reagan likes Bush, and then some.

The Left outnumbers the right on this site, that is obvious.  Our main problem is that we've let the right out-smart us.  If we unite under one candidate we can succeed.

I don't think so, almost everyone voted for FDR or Dubya, and FDR lost.

I've counted the votes in the threads, the democrats/leftists hold a narrow majority in most vote counts.  The problem is that they voted for lots of different people.

[Platypus]

Get rid of Nixon next round if Garfield loses this one. There is some cross-partisan support for that. Then, GWB. Reagan doesn't deserve to go before GWB.

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We're such typical Democrats, discussing our political plans in public for everyone to see.

[Platypus]

myeh

it wouldn't stay a secret for long.

[minionofmidas]

Carter is indefensible.  A complete slam-dunk for the bottom five.

LBJ was a reaction to Democrats rallying against Bush.  I had voted Nixon the round before and was going to vote Nixon again until the Democrats went after Bush.

No Democrat except LBJ got a vote in that round. Several Republicans did. Doesn't sound as if Dems had reacted to Reps.
I had voted Nixon the rounds before and was going to vote Nixon again until the Republicans chose to rally all out against the best President of the last 60 years.

They are just pulling partisanship bullcrap. what we need to do is find other people and get them to join. Its the only chance we got since the reps. obviously cant tell a good president from a hole in the ground.

You're taking this a hell of a lot more serious than I do...I'm just annoyed at the Republicans, but not ready to burn the forum to the ground because of it.

[Speed of Sound]

i really dont take it that seriously. I just dont have much of life outside of politcs and Presidential Survivor was was the politicsl thing for me for awhile. However, i am now going to focus most of my energy into the Atlas Fantasy Government.