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Trump has his finger on the pulse of a large portion of the GOP, he appeals to voters in a way no other candidate does.
 
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Trump's surge is a product of media attention. His supporters in polls are mostly low information voters.  Once the media attention shifts away from him his support will melt away.
 
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« on: July 23, 2015, 09:07:06 AM »

At this point I'm unsure.
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2015, 09:20:42 AM »

At first I really thought it was just a media fad, but there actually are a lot of crazy people out there that believe whatever Trump says because "he's not afraid to say what he thinks".  People are dumb.  Maybe the GOP needs to scrap the primaries all together and go back to letting the elites choose.
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2015, 09:40:39 AM »

It's really both, and also it's the GOP party's own fault - they wanted unlimited outside money and this is how you end up with a candidate book tour industry instead of a primary.
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2015, 09:42:53 AM »
« Edited: July 23, 2015, 09:47:19 AM by Hydera »

Trump is surging because he throws punches, apologetically. This "not-a-typical-politician" thing always had some appeal to many republicans. Especially in a stale political primary like in 2016, where many GOP candidates were seen as playing too safe.

And the War-Hero thing was bound to come up one way or another if not by trump than perhaps the media even if trump didn't mention that in response to criticism by McCain. There were many sacred cows of the republican party that many of the base didn't like but had to follow because the establishment republicans made the rules. And Trump just comes in and tears the sacred cows down.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2015, 09:52:37 AM »

 He is the human manifestation of conservative anger at the GOP establishment, and he cuts through the smoke in a way that even other anti-establishment candidates like Paul or Cruz can't do.

 Even though he's obviously not my preferred candidate, I don't think you can really blame his supporters for being angry at the establishment which promised change once they won a senate majority and didn't really deliver much. So while I don't and wouldn't support him, I certainly get why some do.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2015, 09:54:37 AM »

A little from column A, a little from column B. He's pointing at the elephants in the living room, but in crude, tactless and unproductive ways. He's getting media attention because of the spectacle, but that won't be quite as easy for the media to turn off as they'd doubtless like. As long as Trump provides good copy, somebody will be covering him, and his exposure and willingness to address forbidden topics can give him solid support among the radicalized GOP base.

It's really looking to me like Republican insiders spent the last 10 years thinking that catering to hate and ignorance was something they could turn on or off at will, and are now getting some inevitable payback in the form of Trump.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2015, 10:14:11 AM »

Trump is not really campaigning for the presidency, he is campaigning for attention.  He knows how to get attention in a presidential race or in a political context in general; make inflammatory statements.  The media covers those a lot more readily than they do the boring same-old same-old from the other candidates. Plus, lots of spectators and base voters out there love unscripted candidates.  So, he is ahead now.  Soon you'll see lots of GOP-sponsored attacks on his personal life, his business dealings and all that; the party can't possibly afford the damage he is doing re: the Latino vote and the veteran vote.  On top of that, once he gets into policy debates, his stupidity will shine.  But he is doing exactly what he wants to do, and all he wants to do--getting loads of attention.
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2015, 10:32:32 AM »

Both are correct.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2015, 10:48:36 AM »

It's a mix of both. But mostly of the second.
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2015, 11:27:51 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2015, 11:38:02 AM »

It's a mix of both. But mostly of the second.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2015, 11:45:19 AM »

The Republican base is full of a bunch of angry and crazy people.
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2015, 12:13:58 PM »

It's a mix of both. But mostly of the second.
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2015, 12:35:42 PM »

The Republican base is full of a bunch of angry and crazy people.
This sums it up nicely.
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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2015, 12:38:51 PM »

1 quarter of the Republican Party are racists.
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« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2015, 12:39:35 PM »

He has tapped into the heart of a large swath of Middle America. It is actually scary.
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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2015, 01:06:22 PM »

FOX News propaganda and misinformation since 2009 has come home to roost.
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2015, 01:56:25 PM »

Trump is the Republican id and they are without a superego.
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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2015, 01:58:20 PM »

He's a realestate tycoon and the housing market is improving. He connects with middle class families.
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2015, 02:22:48 PM »

I agree that both are a factor, but I feel that option 1 is the main reason between the two. When Trump inevitably fades, it'll be interesting to see which of the other candidates will be able to tap into that. My suspicion is that whoever does could very well wind up the nominee.
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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2015, 02:53:56 PM »

Trump is the Republican id and they are without a superego.

I'm a Republican and I am not a hateful individual who hates capitalism, hates freedom, hates those who look different from me, and hates America like Trump. 

He's a realestate tycoon and the housing market is improving. He connects with middle class families.

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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2015, 03:15:39 PM »

It's a mix of both. But mostly of the first.
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2015, 03:36:53 PM »

FOX News + talk radio propaganda and misinformation since the 1980s-1990s have come home to roost.

Fixed.
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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2015, 03:59:21 PM »
« Edited: July 23, 2015, 04:02:53 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

It's mostly the first.  If he was just taking a millionaire's mindless ego-trip, he'd be Steve Forbes, who never captured the attention of folks as Trump has.

What Middle America sees is a government that wishes to enrich the top 1% at all costs and subsidize the poor so that they behave reasonably well and so we don't have food riots by hungry, homeless people, as there are in Third World countries.  Middle America sees their manufacturing jobs dry up, while cheap foreign goods flood our marketplace through "free trade" agreements and they are told that this is progress.  Middle America sees a government ready to send their kids to fight a war with Iran who hasn't attacked up, after being involved in two (2) long wars that haven't accomplished anything good that they can easily explain.  Their taxes aren't going up, but their wages aren't, either, and their healthcare costs and ACCESS to healthcare is a dicey thing, while one party offers a healthcare program no one can easily explain (Obamacare) while the other really doesn't care if you get to see a doctor or not because THEY'RE going to see a doctor, and that's what they care about.  They see social changes ushered in by Courts (SSM) and the privileges of the rich to buy politicians instituted by Courts (CITIZENS UNITED), the latter reversing the will of the people's representatives.  They see unappealing Presidential candidates, few of them having done anything with their lives besides becoming lawyers, getting elected and re-elected to something, or serving in government as an appointed something-or-other.  Of the businessmen, one of them (Jeb Bush) hasn't really been successful; he's been propped up by his Daddy until such time as he could enter politics.  

They see illegal immigrants pouring across our border with Mexico, and seeing a border fence not getting built, even when their elected representatives said it would be built, and they are lectured as being xenophobic when they point out the burden of crime and money this problem brings, just as they are lectured about being homophobic when SSM is ushered in (never mind what their Bible might say) and when they are lectured as racist when they suggest that it is the rioters themselves in Ferguson, MO and Baltimore, MD that are responsible for the riots, and that the real threat to black lives comes not from the Police, but from remorseless criminals in their own communities, many of whom are heavily armed and who possess minimal regard for human life.  It's the lecures that's the salt in the wound, because it's the part where they'ree condescended to and told that they really don't know what they're observing.

This is what Trump is tapping into.  This is who doesn't care that Trump dissed McCain big-time, or gave out Linsdwy Graham's phone number.  He's a Northern version of George Wallace, not that he's a segregationist, but that he's an anti-elitist.  Wallace once said, "I'll let you in on a little secret:  Those fancy-dan bureaucrats in Washington, DC don't run and take a flying leap into their britches every morning, they put them on one leg at a time just like you and me!"  Trump is making the same sort of appeal to folks who, rightly are wrongly, are tired of being lectured by eletes who don't care what Middle America (the people who do the work of society) want, and they don't do what they promised to do when they were elected with Middle America's votes.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2015, 04:41:32 PM »

Distinctly the second.
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