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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2005, 09:06:04 PM »

Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - A
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old - C
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old - C
Premaritial sex between consenting adults - C
Homosexual sex between consenting adults - C
Oral sex between consenting adults - C
Anal sex between consenting adults - C
Adultery - B (unless spouse has no problem with it, then C)
Prostitution - B, though heavily regulated
Abortion - C (B in some rare instances)
Strip Clubs - C
Use of marijuana - C
Masturbation - C
Artificial birth control - C
"light" pornography (Playboy) - C
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean) - C, even though I find it repulsive
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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2005, 10:28:07 PM »

A=immoral and should be illegal
B=immoral but should be legal
C=not immoral and should legal

Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old- A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old- A
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old- C
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old- C
Premaritial sex between consenting adults- C
Homosexual sex between consenting adults- C
Oral sex between consenting adults- C
Anal sex between consenting adults-C
Adultery- B
Prostitution- C
Abortion- C
Strip Clubs- C
Use of marijuana- C
Masturbation- C (I ENCOURAGE IT!)
Artificial birth control- C
"light" pornography (Playboy)- C
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean)- C (OH YEAH!)


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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2005, 10:34:07 PM »
« Edited: May 07, 2005, 10:35:39 PM by Lunar »

Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - A
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old - C
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old - C
Premaritial sex between consenting adults - C
Homosexual sex between consenting adults - C
Oral sex between consenting adults - C
Anal sex between consenting adults - C
Adultery - B
Prostitution - C
Abortion - B
Strip Clubs - C
Use of marijuana - C
Masturbation - C
Artificial birth control - C
"light" pornography (Playboy) - C
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean) - C


Abortion was a difficult one to label.  I don't have a strong stance on the issue and recognize that it's muddled.
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2005, 12:02:06 AM »

I'm 100% in agreement with Bob
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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2005, 07:43:39 AM »

Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old  - B or C, depending on the age of the adult and the maturity of the 14-year old. Always assuming physical maturity and consent of both parties, of course. Otherwise A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - see above
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old - C
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old - C
Premaritial sex between consenting adults - C
Homosexual sex between consenting adults - C
Oral sex between consenting adults - C
Anal sex between consenting adults - C
Adultery - B
Prostitution - C (but see Adultery)
Abortion - B
Strip Clubs - C
Use of marijuana - C. Excessive use is bad for you, though.
Masturbation - C
Artificial birth control - C
"light" pornography (Playboy) - C
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean) - C
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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2005, 08:52:48 AM »

As usual Lewis Trondheim you are enlightened and tolerant.  I believe you are German - are you at all indicative of the consensus in that country?
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2005, 09:20:54 AM »

As usual Lewis Trondheim you are enlightened and tolerant.  I believe you are German - are you at all indicative of the consensus in that country?
Lemme see...
Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old  - B or C, depending on the age of the adult and the maturity of the 14-year old. Always assuming physical maturity and consent of both parties, of course. Otherwise A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - see above
As on no difference between hete and homo, yes except for a small vocal minority. As on sexual relationships between those over 18 and those under 16, not quite. Well there's a large current of opinion like that but it's not the existing law. Police usually have to be pretty much pushed into prosecuting though, and verdicts aren't that harsh. But it's illegal. In fact a friend of mine's got a small fine and a suspended sentence for consensual sex with a 13-year old. He was 26 at the time (he's 28 now). And he already had a criminal record before (though not for that type of offense)
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Yes, totally.
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see above under vocal minority.
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I suppose not across all age brackets, but otherwise, yes, I guess.
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Well, duh.
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No. I think 65% of the people would file prostitution under B. And another 30% under A. Until quite recently government officially filed this under B (it was considered legal but sittenwidrig, which had a number of knock-on negative effects.) Many local governments certainly still make it clear that they consider it not right.
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Yep, pretty wide consensus. During the first trimester and in exceptional cases afterwards. After counselling. State funded. That's the legal situation, and it's a very good compromise reached after almost 30 years of strife. Of course there's a vocal minority of anti-abortion radicals, but it's very small. And of course there's a very large current of "yeah, leave it legal, but it certainly won't happen in my family." Which I sorta agree with myself.
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I guess the consensus would be to place this under B.
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Minority opinion. But very large minority.
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Duh.
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Well...sorta slightly unsavoury in the eyes of most...but far from everybody.
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Sale to those under 18 is illegal. In fact, public display is illegal. Which is why sex shops have an "no entry under 18" sign over the door. Video rental places have a separate room with such a sign over the door. Not that these signs are necessarily enforced.

Hope that provides an overview...
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2005, 09:36:10 AM »

Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old- A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old- A
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old- B
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old- C
Premaritial sex between consenting adults- B
Homosexual sex between consenting adults- B
Oral sex between consenting adults- C
Anal sex between consenting adults- C
Adultery- A
Prostitution- B
Abortion- A
Strip Clubs- C
Use of marijuana- C
Masturbation- C
Artificial birth control- C
"light" pornography (Playboy)- C
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean)- C
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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2005, 11:24:14 AM »

Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old A
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old C
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old C
Premaritial sex between consenting adults C
Homosexual sex between consenting adults C
Oral sex between consenting adults C
Anal sex between consenting adults C
Adultery B
Prostitution B
Abortion C
Strip Clubs B
Use of marijuana C
Masturbation C
Artificial birth control C
"light" pornography (Playboy) C
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean) C
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2005, 01:13:23 PM »

As usual Lewis Trondheim you are enlightened and tolerant.  I believe you are German - are you at all indicative of the consensus in that country?
Lemme see...
Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old  - B or C, depending on the age of the adult and the maturity of the 14-year old. Always assuming physical maturity and consent of both parties, of course. Otherwise A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - see above
As on no difference between hete and homo, yes except for a small vocal minority. As on sexual relationships between those over 18 and those under 16, not quite. Well there's a large current of opinion like that but it's not the existing law. Police usually have to be pretty much pushed into prosecuting though, and verdicts aren't that harsh. But it's illegal. In fact a friend of mine's got a small fine and a suspended sentence for consensual sex with a 13-year old. He was 26 at the time (he's 28 now). And he already had a criminal record before (though not for that type of offense)

Thanks for the interesting overview.  So what is the precise legal age of consent?  It looks like http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm has you all at 16.

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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2005, 01:15:24 PM »

Rank all of the following A, B or C

A=immoral and should be illegal
B=immoral but should be legal
C=not immoral and should legal

Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old A
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old A
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old A
Premaritial sex between consenting adults A
Homosexual sex between consenting adults A
Oral sex between consenting adults B
Anal sex between consenting adults A
Adultery A
Prostitution A
Abortion A
Strip Clubs A
Use of marijuana A
Masturbation B
Artificial birth control B
"light" pornography (Playboy) C
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean) A
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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2005, 02:35:07 PM »

Rank all of the following A, B or C

A=immoral and should be illegal
B=immoral but should be legal
C=not immoral and should legal

Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old A
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old A
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old A
Premaritial sex between consenting adults A
Homosexual sex between consenting adults A
Oral sex between consenting adults B
Anal sex between consenting adults A
Adultery A
Prostitution A
Abortion A
Strip Clubs A
Use of marijuana A
Masturbation B
Artificial birth control B
"light" pornography (Playboy) C
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean) A

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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2005, 07:59:56 PM »

A=immoral and should be illegal
B=immoral but should be legal
C=not immoral and should legal

A Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old
A Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old
B Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old
B Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old
C Premaritial sex between consenting adults
C Homosexual sex between consenting adults
C Oral sex between consenting adults
C Anal sex between consenting adults
B Adultery
B Prostitution
B Abortion
B Strip Clubs
B Use of marijuana
C Masturbation
C Artificial birth control
B "light" pornography (Playboy)
C "hard" pornography (you know what I mean)
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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2005, 08:22:13 PM »

B "light" pornography (Playboy)
C "hard" pornography (you know what I mean)

Did you mean the other way around?
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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2005, 07:50:50 AM »


Oh really?  And what do you suggest be the punishment?  Stoning?  I think you belong in the Religious Party.
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« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2005, 10:03:28 AM »


Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - A
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old - C
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old - C
Premaritial sex between consenting adults - C
Homosexual sex between consenting adults - C
Oral sex between consenting adults - C
Anal sex between consenting adults - C
Adultery - B
Prostitution - C
Abortion - C
Strip Clubs - C
Use of marijuana - C
Masturbation - C
Artificial birth control - C
"light" pornography (Playboy) - C
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean) - C

putting pictures of Bush cozying up to Abdullah in your sig - B
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« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2005, 01:54:45 PM »


Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - A

14 is not very young.  One could very easily do this completely by accident or due to being duped.
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« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2005, 02:43:37 PM »

Abortion - A (B is acceptable, though)

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« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2005, 02:44:51 PM »


What is at all funny about that?
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« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2005, 02:47:19 PM »


Oh really?  And what do you suggest be the punishment?  Stoning?  I think you belong in the Religious Party.


How about you leave the Democratic Party first; I would much prefer Alcon be a member than you.
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« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2005, 03:47:51 PM »

A=immoral and should be illegal
B=immoral but should be legal
C=not immoral and should legal

Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - Depends how old the adult is.  Should not be older than 21.
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - Same as first question
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old C
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old C
Premaritial sex between consenting adults C
Homosexual sex between consenting adults C
Oral sex between consenting adults C
Anal sex between consenting adults C
Adultery A (divorce should be made easier though)
Prostitution B
Abortion B
Strip Clubs C
Use of marijuana B
Masturbation C
Artificial birth control C 
"light" pornography (Playboy) C
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean) C
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« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2005, 03:59:44 PM »

I would not generalize any particular behavior as immoral as a class, but would need to know specifics. In any case, I do not favor making any of these things illegal.
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« Reply #47 on: May 09, 2005, 04:37:30 PM »

I'd like to change the adultery one from B to A. Tough I'd favor to regard it as a case of contract breaking rather than a criminal case.
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« Reply #48 on: May 09, 2005, 07:12:58 PM »


Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old - A

14 is not very young.  One could very easily do this completely by accident or due to being duped.

I didn't get laid till I was fifteen.  what about you?  as I recall, pretty much all I was thinking about at 14 was my math teacher.  If she'd decided to exploit me, she'd have had absolutely no resistance.  Sorry, opebo.  14 is very young.  I'm not saying that we should hang people over this sort of thing, but I am saying that I think it's not unreasonable to expect you to be suave enough to hit on someone your own age.  When you see a guy that's 21 and can only get 14 year old chicks, don't you feel just a little bit like he's a loser?
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« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2005, 09:39:53 AM »

A=immoral and should be illegal
B=immoral but should be legal
C=not immoral and should legal

Homosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old: A
Heterosexual relations between an adult and 14 year old: A
Homosexual relations between a 16 and 18 year old: C
Heterosexual relations betwee a 16 and 18 year old: C
Premaritial sex between consenting adults: C
Homosexual sex between consenting adults: C
Oral sex between consenting adults: C
Anal sex between consenting adults: B
Adultery: A
Prostitution: A/B
Abortion: A (in most cases) B the rest of the time (unless it's a life/death sitution, in which case... C)
Strip Clubs: B
Use of marijuana: B
Masturbation: C
Artificial birth control: B/C
"light" pornography (Playboy) :B
"hard" pornography (you know what I mean) :A (in most cases).

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Should add that Adultery should be more a civil offense rather than a criminal one; IMO it's basically a breach of contract and duty of care.
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