Do you most prefer the politics of Los Angeles, NYC, or Seattle?
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Question: Do you most prefer the politics of Los Angeles, NYC, or Seattle?
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« on: July 26, 2015, 11:04:40 AM »

I am putting this poll up as an example of a geographic based question which would not be moved to the Off Topic Board. It is clearly based on political preferences, not geographic preferences based on other factors, such as climate or culture or non political ambiance. Absent focusing on the politics, geographic based preference questions will be moved to the Off Topic Board. Thanks.

I chose these three cities with quite liberal politics, so this poll isn't merely an ideology poll, but is perhaps a bit more subtle, involving more process, corruption, competence, and priority issues, and so forth.
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2015, 11:12:10 AM »

I know nothing about Seattle politics, but I went with it because those of NYC and LA strike me as absolutely atrocious.
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2015, 11:16:35 AM »

Well, I don't know, NYC seems to be managed pretty well, but I take your point. Seattle politics is probably more honest and transparent, and no doubt more focused on "green" issues. I was thinking of adding Chicago, but I figured that it would pretty much strike out. It might only get Muon2's vote, out of regional loyalty. Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2015, 09:14:52 PM »

Err, why was this stickied?
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2015, 10:30:51 PM »


Oh, just to get the message across as to the protocol as to where threads should be put it. After a bit, I will unsticky it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2015, 11:40:04 AM »

NYC (Normal).
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2015, 12:42:10 PM »

The one with a $15 minimum wage
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2015, 03:05:17 PM »

Seattle has Kshama Sawant.


That includes two of them. Tongue

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2015, 06:39:03 PM »

NYC had Giuliani, so I'll give it the hat tip, though Bloomberg's nanny-statism and De Blasio's antics aren't my cup of tea.
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2015, 01:35:50 AM »

Seattle may soon become a two-party city of Democrats vs. Socialists, and even if you don't like that prospect, it is certainly the most intriguing of any of these cities.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2015, 10:29:41 AM »

Seattle of course!
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2015, 10:43:02 AM »

NYC, easily.
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2015, 05:03:39 PM »

LA, maybe?  New York is too authoritarian and Seattle is too far to the left.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2015, 08:52:28 AM »

Seattle may soon become a two-party city of Democrats vs. Socialists, and even if you don't like that prospect, it is certainly the most intriguing of any of these cities.

You mean Democrats and one socialist.
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2015, 11:10:22 AM »

Seattle may soon become a two-party city of Democrats vs. Socialists, and even if you don't like that prospect, it is certainly the most intriguing of any of these cities.

You mean Democrats and one socialist.

Yes, for now, but the Socialists definitely have a very strong presence in the city, particularly in neighborhoods like Capitol Hill and the U-District. Republicans almost never run for city-wide office anymore, but Socialists do all the time, even if they have only won one election. I can easily see someone like Jess Spear winning an open-seat race, and Nick Licata and Pramila Jayapal are both pretty much on par, if not to the left of Bernie Sanders, even if they identify as Democrats. It's not a huge leap to see the Socialists making a play for their seats when they retire.

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2015, 11:17:30 AM »

Is their any chance of electoral reform in Seattle, with the success of the Socialists?

Also what breed/tendency are these Socialists? I thought Sawant was an SEP goon for some reason, but I just googled and she's Spcialist Alternative (the wsws had a typically wsws article on her).
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2015, 11:43:55 AM »

Is their any chance of electoral reform in Seattle, with the success of the Socialists?

Also what breed/tendency are these Socialists? I thought Sawant was an SEP goon for some reason, but I just googled and she's Spcialist Alternative (the wsws had a typically wsws article on her).

First question: We switched from 9 city-wide elections to the city council to 7 district elections and 2 at-large, although there's probably not going to be much more than that. Washington already has a top-two primary, regardless of party. So, you can have two people from the same party on the ballot in November or one from a major party, one from a minor party, and none from the other major party. This probably helped Sawant a lot in her city council campaign, since she managed to go from 35% in the primary to 51% in the general.

Second question: Socialist Alternative is definitely the most active and visible group in the city, although there are also some more hard-core groups that put up candidates (I remember there was one last election who was a staunch Fidelista). They are a Trotskyist group which is part of the Committee for a Workers International, and it is definitely a social democratic party, even if it is much farther to the left than anything we're used to in the US. Their target audience is mostly disaffected Occupy Democrats.
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2015, 12:18:46 PM »

Is there a single place in the US that uses Proportional Representation? Sometimes I wonder if Americans are even aware of its existence.
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2015, 12:22:28 PM »

Is there a single place in the US that uses Proportional Representation? Sometimes I wonder if Americans are even aware of its existence.

Quite a few cities used to use STV, but Democratic machines got rid of them when people started electing blacks, republicans and commies.
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2015, 01:11:27 PM »

Is there a single place in the US that uses Proportional Representation? Sometimes I wonder if Americans are even aware of its existence.

IRV is used in 13 cities, and STV is used in 2, although it used to be a larger number like CrabCake said. The only alternative system that has recently been successful is top-two primaries. Illinois used to have cumulative voting for its house of reps, but that was abolished in 1980. At least in my experience, most people don't understand proportional representation or are even aware of its existence, which makes the possibility of changing to any form of PR very slim. Democrats and Republicans conveniently ignore proportional representation because FPTP is what is ensuring their dominance as major parties.
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2015, 01:57:07 PM »

Yeah, that's not surprising. Though still pretty sad.
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2015, 02:22:58 PM »

Seattle may soon become a two-party city of Democrats vs. Socialists, and even if you don't like that prospect, it is certainly the most intriguing of any of these cities.

You mean Democrats and one socialist.
You could say that, sure, only problem is that you'd be wrong.
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2015, 03:39:48 PM »

NYC is the only city of the three that really matters anyway so it Wins by default.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2015, 05:43:03 PM »

NYC is the only city of the three that really matters anyway so it Wins by default.


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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2015, 09:14:29 PM »

Is their any chance of electoral reform in Seattle, with the success of the Socialists?

Also what breed/tendency are these Socialists? I thought Sawant was an SEP goon for some reason, but I just googled and she's Spcialist Alternative (the wsws had a typically wsws article on her).

Socialist Alternative is the US affiliate of the Committee for a Workers' International, which grew out of the Militant tendency of the Labour Party. The UK equivalent is the hilariously named SPEW (Socialist Party of England and Wales), which operates through it's front group, er, 'coalition', the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition, whom I'm sure you're familiar with. They're social democrats who like to quote Trotsky, for the most part. They've more or less endorsed Sanders and more or less endorsed Chuy Garcia when he ran for mayor of Chicago.
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