Megathread: Congressional Vote on the Iran Deal

[DavidB.]

I'm hesitant to bring this up because I'm only patrilineally Jewish (and thus not really Jewish at all, because I take the rules seriously even if they're not technically mine), but accusing somebody like Al Franken (I don't know enough about Horus to know whether or not the same can be said of him) of not being Jewish enough or of self-hatred on the basis of a position that evinces a slightly-less-than-uncritical attitude towards the Israeli political consensus is honestly kind of unnerving. I understand that most (all?) of the major political factions in Israel are less than thrilled with this deal and many of them are quite vehemently opposed to it, but treating it as an issue on which dissent from that viewpoint is completely unacceptable strikes me as...I can't think of a word that succinctly indicates that I have a strongly negative view of that tendency but don't consider myself invested enough in Jewishness to fully commit to that view, but it strikes me as that.

I'm not a religious Jew by any means, but my mother is Jewish so I am as well whether I like it or not. The self hater mantra that the neocons and revisionist Zionists throw around has bothered me for years, but until yesterday the term had never made it onto this forum.

That's not true, I've been calling people like that in the Israeli election thread already

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I'm hesitant to bring this up because I'm only patrilineally Jewish (and thus not really Jewish at all, because I take the rules seriously even if they're not technically mine), but accusing somebody like Al Franken (I don't know enough about Horus to know whether or not the same can be said of him) of not being Jewish enough or of self-hatred on the basis of a position that evinces a slightly-less-than-uncritical attitude towards the Israeli political consensus is honestly kind of unnerving. I understand that most (all?) of the major political factions in Israel are less than thrilled with this deal and many of them are quite vehemently opposed to it, but treating it as an issue on which dissent from that viewpoint is completely unacceptable strikes me as...I can't think of a word that succinctly indicates that I have a strongly negative view of that tendency but don't consider myself invested enough in Jewishness to fully commit to that view, but it strikes me as that.

I'm not a religious Jew by any means, but my mother is Jewish so I am as well whether I like it or not. The self hater mantra that the neocons and revisionist Zionists throw around has bothered me for years, but until yesterday the term had never made it onto this forum.

That's not true, I've been calling people like that in the Israeli election thread already

Just keep your incivility from being aimed at other posters.  The general rule here for what is considered a personal attack is that posters are free to level fairly high invective against ideas and public people such as Sen, Franklin, but are held to a stricter standard when speaking of other posters themselves instead of their ideas. Hence why your post about Sen. Franklin is still here in this thread, but your post about Horus is not.

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I'm hesitant to bring this up because I'm only patrilineally Jewish (and thus not really Jewish at all, because I take the rules seriously even if they're not technically mine), but accusing somebody like Al Franken (I don't know enough about Horus to know whether or not the same can be said of him) of not being Jewish enough or of self-hatred on the basis of a position that evinces a slightly-less-than-uncritical attitude towards the Israeli political consensus is honestly kind of unnerving. I understand that most (all?) of the major political factions in Israel are less than thrilled with this deal and many of them are quite vehemently opposed to it, but treating it as an issue on which dissent from that viewpoint is completely unacceptable strikes me as...I can't think of a word that succinctly indicates that I have a strongly negative view of that tendency but don't consider myself invested enough in Jewishness to fully commit to that view, but it strikes me as that.

AIPAC calls everyone who doesn't support the latest wars anti-semitic or not Jewish enough. Noam Chomsky has pointed this out many times.

[Gass3268]

Sen. Menendez (D-NJ) confirms what we all assumed, he is a no vote

Looking forward to the day when he's in a jail cell. Shouldn't be too long. New Jersey deserves better than this Lieberman wannabe.

[Gass3268]

Former Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) supports the deal

[Classic Conservative]

Former Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) supports the deal

Thank God, Murdock primaried that guy.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Former Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) supports the deal

Thank God, Murdock primaried that guy.

no, Lugar would support it even if he were still a Senator.

[Angel of Death]

Former Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) supports the deal

Thank God, Murdock primaried that guy.

Joe Donnelly agrees.

[Classic Conservative]

Former Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) supports the deal

Thank God, Murdock primaried that guy.

no, Lugar would support it even if he were still a Senator.

I know that's why I said it.

[Gass3268]

Former Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) supports the deal

Thank God, Murdock primaried that guy.

Joe Donnelly agrees.

Lugar's support might end up pushing Donnelly to support the deal.

[moderatevoter]

Since Lugar was mentioned, former Sen. John Warner (R-VA) and Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) wrote this op-ed in favor of the agreement.

Mark Warner is close with Schumer, but I have a hard time seeing him vote against this, especially since Kaine, Beyer, Connolly, and now John Warner are all in favor.

I know Gary Peters is supposed to be a "tossup," so maybe Levin's support pushes him towards supporting the deal?

[ElectionsGuy]

Former Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) supports the deal

Wow, so if he wouldn't have lost that primary he would be the only Republican.

[moderatevoter]

Sen. Hirono (D-HI) and both Senators from Rhode Island are in favor. That's 23. 11 more needed in the Senate.

[Gass3268]

Senate Map Time!



Again I am assuming that every Republican will vote no now that Flake has announced he is opposed to the deal. I am also counting Democratic Lean Yeses as Undecideds. Dark Green is 2 Yeses, Light Green is 1 Yes and 1 Undecided, Purple is a Yes and a No, Dark Red is 2 Nos, Light Red is a 1 No and 1 Undecided, and Yellow is 2 Undecided

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Former Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) supports the deal

Wow, so if he wouldn't have lost that primary he would be the only Republican.

Naw, he probably would have been bribed and threatened until he supported it.

[Gass3268]

Democratic Reps. John Larson (D-CT), Maxine Waters (D-CA), Michael Capuano (D-MA), Gwen Moore (D-WI), Rubén Hinojosa (D-TX), and Denny Heck (D-WA) are all Yes

[moderatevoter]

Sen. Donnelly (D-IN) is a yes. That's a big get, since he was a swing vote. 24.

[Gass3268]

Sen. Donnelly (D-IN) is a yes. That's a big get, since he was a swing vote. 24.

Lugar was probably the exact cover he needed on the issue. I am starting to wonder if the Republicans will even get the 60 necessary to overcome a filibuster. Wouldn't that be amazing!

[Gass3268]

Paul Tonko (D-NY) and Steve Cohen (D-TN) are both yes.

Donald Norcross (D-NJ) is a no.

Brad Ashford (D-NE) is leaning no.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Donald Norcross (D-NJ) is a no.

Corrupt asshole is as corrupt asshole does.

[moderatevoter]

Sen. Markey (D-MA) is another yes.

[windjammer]

So 25?

[moderatevoter]

So 25?

Yes. They need nine more to protect Obama's inevitable veto.

[windjammer]

I would love the democrats to be able to filibuster it. But that still seems unlikely .

[Angel of Death]

It's going to be like that flag burning amendment, isn't it?