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« Reply #800 on: October 11, 2015, 04:01:04 PM »

Will there be another debate before the Convention Debate?

Also, do you have a list of days for the primaries & caucuses? I only found Rhode Island's and assumed Connecticut's was on the same day.

Not really, there's only two turns left and this one took a lot of time for me to grade. If the players find a third party to host a debate I might consider it, but personally I'm not hosting another debate.

There is a list at the Sign Up and Rules thead, here are the remaining primaries:

Turn 13:

May 30 – Arkansas, Kentucky and Nevada Caucuses
June 6 – California Primary, South Dakota Primary, New Jersey, New Mexico and Colorado Caucuses

Turn 14

June 14 – Texas, Delaware, Maine and Oklahoma Caucuses
June 20 - New York Primary
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« Reply #801 on: October 11, 2015, 04:03:17 PM »

Good job as always Lumine.
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« Reply #802 on: October 11, 2015, 04:06:23 PM »

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Note: Nixon won all but 13 delegates for Goldwater and a minor slate of 21 unpledged delegates in Michigan.

RICHARD NIXON WINS GOP NOMINATION!

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« Reply #803 on: October 11, 2015, 04:10:44 PM »

Prediction:



Texas was hard; I think McGovern will eventually pull ahead after Wallace and Harris split the conservative vote.
If this does happen, then may the best man win Wink
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« Reply #804 on: October 11, 2015, 04:22:37 PM »

Prediction:



Texas was hard; I think McGovern will eventually pull ahead after Wallace and Harris split the conservative vote.

Harris? You mean Yorty, right?
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« Reply #805 on: October 11, 2015, 04:25:31 PM »

Turn Thirteen: Traditional Politics with a Vengeance:
May 24th to June 6th, 1972


In the News!

SALT Treaty signed in Moscow
Breznhev and Nixon agree on Strategic Arms Limitation Talks, prohibiting additional offensive nuclear missiles to be built

Lon Nol wins elections in Cambodia!
Elections in the Khmer Republic leave Lon Nol as President, In Tam defeated as protesters charge fraud from the military

1.- Primaries: Here we are, gentlemen. We have a series of caucuses to contest in New Jersey, New Mexico, Colorado, Kentucky, Nevada and Arkansas, a minor primary in South Dakota, and the grand prize... California. As explained earlier and following the OTL 72' Primary Race, California is the only Winner Takes All contest of the game, which means whoever gets to survive the fusilade that primary is going to mean (because it will take effort to win it, and it will be prone to wild polling swings) goes home with 306 delegates to the convention. All in all, 581 delegates up for grabs.

Democrats:

May 30 – Arkansas (35), Kentucky (47) and Nevada (11) Caucuses
June 6 – California Primary (306), South Dakota Primary (17), New Jersey (112), New Mexico (18) and Colorado (37) Caucuses

Primary Polling

Gallup: Democratic Primary:

George McGovern: 29% (+1)
Sam Yorty: 22% (+1)
Fred Harris: 17% (-3)
Ed Muskie: 15% (+3)
George Wallace: 10% (-3)
Morris Udall: 5%
Undecided: 3% (+1)

More momentum swings, as the debate and the primary fusilade leave some important changes to be noted. Congressman Udall continues to pick up delegates, but his debate performance and money issues have left his campaign somewhat stalled, in need for a clear win. Wallace takes a major hit on account of his debate performance, the fact that he continues to blow money despite being almost broke and some unpopular stances, but it should be noted that his approach in personal campaigning off-sets this national weakness and should be considered an asset. Harris is very good with GOTV and has a good base of African American support too, but again, the busing debate really hurts him among working class voters and candidates continue to pile on him.

Which leaves us to the three rising candidates: McGovern, Yorty and Muskie. Normally the first two would have gained a more concrete surge on account of their victories, but Yorty can only grow so much in a party that mostly despises him over his Vietnam stance and after suffering damage at the debate, whereas McGovern is not properly addressing mounting concerns over the so called "Acid, Abortion and Amnesty" issue. That leaves Muskie to recover much lost support over a good debate performance and because is the one of less damaged candidates, reviving his campaign for the time being.
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« Reply #806 on: October 11, 2015, 04:26:29 PM »

Primary Candidate Data

Notoriety = N, Organization = O, Finance = F

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« Reply #807 on: October 11, 2015, 04:33:25 PM »

Any news on the two candidates peering outward into the primary looking at the possibility of a brokered convention?
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« Reply #808 on: October 11, 2015, 04:39:01 PM »

Fred Harris Speech Louisville, Kentucky
"Today, I'm apologizing. I rang up Mayor Yorty earlier to apologize for my unfortunate savagery at the debate. I asked him if we could lessen the mudslinging a bit. I am dearly sorry that this campaign has gotten to the sad state of questioning each other's overall integrity and very humanity. I'm calling for a lot less mudslinging. I was partly at fault through this, but I have learned and grown, and I sincerely hope that Mayor Yorty can accept my proposition, and that we can each focus on our merits without tearing each other down quite as much. I understand that this is a competitive race, but at the end of the day we're Democrats, and the last thing we want is a repeat of 1968. I'm not calling for a total end to any contention; I know with different policy stances, rifts will emerge, and I understand that sometimes these need to be brought up. A look at the record is fair. However, personal attacks on integrity and humanity are not. You'll recall, early on in this campaign, I came to the defense of Senator Muskie's family from savage personal attacks. The issue is the same. I'm talking about solutions to the issues that affect the daily lives of so many Americans. I believe and hope that my fellow candidates are ready to do so as well. This will be a difficult convention, and we need unity.

I'm running on an expanded fight against poverty, a check on the political privilege of Wall Street, a responsible winding down of the war, and a choice for the people on divisive issues.

Today, I'm asking for your help. It doesn't matter if you pitch in $2 or $200. An hour, or a day. Together, we'll break the special interest mold. We shall rise above politics as usual. I'm out here fighting for the unions, the poor, the families, the small business owners. We need to see past divisions and labels as we move forward. The Democratic nominee ought to have a united party behind them. Thank you all for coming out tonight, and I expect we'll get great things done here in the wonderful state of Kentucky."
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« Reply #809 on: October 11, 2015, 04:39:27 PM »

President Nixon signs up for all of the upcoming electoral contests and spends the next turn organizing his campaign to get all 10 organization points next round.
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« Reply #810 on: October 11, 2015, 04:44:31 PM »

Early States, Tentative Polling:

Gallup: Arkansas Caucus:

George Wallace: 34%
Sam Yorty: 19%
Fred Harris: 18%
Ed Muskie: 11%
George McGovern: 8%
Morris Udall: 4%
Undecided: 6%

Gallup: Kentucky Caucus:

Fred Harris: 27%
George Wallace: 21%
Sam Yorty: 20%
Ed Muskie: 15%
George McGovern: 9%
Morris Udall: 3%
Undecided: 5%

Gallup: Nevada Caucus:

George McGovern: 29%
Sam Yorty: 20%
Ed Muskie: 18%
Morris Udall: 17%
Fred Harris: 9%
George Wallace: 3%
Undecided: 4%

Gallup: New Jersey Caucus:

Fred Harris: 25%
George McGovern: 22%
Ed Muskie: 19%
George Wallace: 12%
Sam Yorty: 9%
Morris Udall: 8%
Undecided: 5%

Gallup: New Mexico Caucus:

George McGovern: 32%
Morris Udall: 20%
Ed Muskie: 18%
Sam Yorty: 15%
Fred Harris: 8%
George Wallace: 2%
Undecided: 5%

Gallup: Colorado Caucus:

George McGovern: 28%
Ed Muskie: 24%
Morris Udall: 19%
Sam Yorty: 13%
Fred Harris: 8%
George Wallace: 3%
Undecided: 5%

Gallup: South Dakota Primary:

George McGovern: 71%
Ed Muskie: 13%
Fred Harris: 5%
George Wallace: 1%
Morris Udall: 3%
Undecided: 7%

Gallup: California Primary:

George McGovern: 31%
Sam Yorty: 31%
Fred Harris: 16%
Ed Muskie: 12%
Morris Udall: 6%
George Wallace: 1%
Undecided: 3%

ABC News: California Primary:

George McGovern: 35%
Sam Yorty: 33%
Fred Harris: 13%
Morris Udall: 7%
Ed Muskie: 5%
George Wallace: 1%
Undecided: 6%

NBC News: California Primary:

Sam Yorty: 34%
George McGovern: 30%
Fred Harris: 11%
Ed Muskie: 9%
Morris Udall: 8%
George Wallace: 3%
Undecided: 5%
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« Reply #811 on: October 11, 2015, 04:45:34 PM »

General election map?

It would be cool if you could possibly make two, one with Nixon vs. a conservative (Wallace, Yorty, etc.) and the other with Nixon vs. a liberal (McGovern, Muskie, etc.)

Thanks! Cheesy
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« Reply #812 on: October 11, 2015, 04:46:19 PM »

Any news on the two candidates peering outward into the primary looking at the possibility of a brokered convention?

Not this turn. There will be news on that after Turn Fourteen is over and before the Convention starts, but for this turn and the next one focus is on the primary candidates.

General election map?

It would be cool if you could possibly make two, one with Nixon vs. a conservative (Wallace, Yorty, etc.) and the other with Nixon vs. a liberal (McGovern, Muskie, etc.)

Thanks! Cheesy

Sorry, I simply do not have the time for a GE map given my focus on the primary.

Gentlemen, you have until Thursday (non-negotiable), have fun!
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« Reply #813 on: October 11, 2015, 05:24:30 PM »

General election map?

It would be cool if you could possibly make two, one with Nixon vs. a conservative (Wallace, Yorty, etc.) and the other with Nixon vs. a liberal (McGovern, Muskie, etc.)

Thanks! Cheesy

Sorry, I simply do not have the time for a GE map given my focus on the primary.

Not even one? Sad
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« Reply #814 on: October 11, 2015, 05:26:05 PM »

General election map?

It would be cool if you could possibly make two, one with Nixon vs. a conservative (Wallace, Yorty, etc.) and the other with Nixon vs. a liberal (McGovern, Muskie, etc.)

Thanks! Cheesy

Sorry, I simply do not have the time for a GE map given my focus on the primary.

Not even one? Sad
I'd like to see a McGovern v. Nixon if you have time next round.
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« Reply #815 on: October 11, 2015, 05:29:45 PM »

If it's not too burdensome for you, may you do favorability numbers for all of the Democrats? That's something I've been curious about for a while.
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« Reply #816 on: October 11, 2015, 05:37:33 PM »

General election map?

It would be cool if you could possibly make two, one with Nixon vs. a conservative (Wallace, Yorty, etc.) and the other with Nixon vs. a liberal (McGovern, Muskie, etc.)

Thanks! Cheesy

Map-making is a lot of effort and Lumine has already been doing so much. If anything, generic poll match-ups would be the way to go here.
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« Reply #817 on: October 11, 2015, 09:21:50 PM »

Overall Strategy
-Due to the newest polling data, the Harris campaign will be diverting funds away from California and closing down both offices in the state.
-The Harris campaign is opening an office in Dallas, one in Houston, and one in New York City.
-Ad buys in California will come to a halt
-Messaging will focus on economic issues first and foremost
-Harris will portray himself as very electable and a solid compromise candidate for the convention

Economic Forum Invite
-Fred Harris is cordially inviting George McGovern and Mo Udall to a forum about the economy. (I'll write up some questions to answer. This is a forum style deal, not a debate per se)
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« Reply #818 on: October 11, 2015, 10:06:39 PM »

Economic Forum Invite
-Fred Harris is cordially inviting George McGovern and Mo Udall to a forum about the economy. (I'll write up some questions to answer. This is a forum style deal, not a debate per se)

The McGovern campaign thanks the Harris campaign, and accepts.
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« Reply #819 on: October 12, 2015, 12:06:58 AM »

Udall Campaign Strategy
- The Udall campaign will be diverting small funds towards the Midwest
- The Udall campaign is opening an office in Los Angeles, three in New York City, and one in Hempstead, NY
- Messaging will focus on unity and progressivism
- Udall will be portrayed as a quick witted and funny Congressman with a good knowledge of the issues

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Representative Udall gladly accepts.(Could I send one or two questions? I'll PM them to you and McGovern)

Just A Bit More, Mo!
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"The race of hope is not yet accomplished, but we are on our way. The race of progress is not yet finished, but we are on our way. The race of unity is not yet completed, but we are on our way!"

[OOC: SCHEDULE TBD]
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« Reply #820 on: October 13, 2015, 07:26:33 AM »

General Election Numbers:

(No maps, because I'm not spending four hours or so on a minor detail)

Gallup: General Election:

Richard Nixon: 47%
Edmund Muskie: 44%
John G. Schmitz: 5%
Undecided: 4%

Richard Nixon: 49%
Sam Yorty: 38%
John G. Schmitz: 2%
Undecided: 12%

Richard Nixon: 50%
George McGovern: 38%
John G. Schmitz: 7%
Undecided: 5%

Richard Nixon: 50%
Mo Udall: 37%
John G. Schmitz: 8%
Undecided: 5%

Richard Nixon: 47%
Fred Harris: 42%
John G. Schmitz: 7%
Undecided: 4%

Richard Nixon: 48%
George Wallace: 41%
John G. Schmitz: 1%
Undecided: 10%
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« Reply #821 on: October 14, 2015, 04:14:11 PM »

When shall this round end?
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« Reply #822 on: October 14, 2015, 04:45:32 PM »


I think that it ends Thursday.
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« Reply #823 on: October 14, 2015, 04:46:44 PM »


But like nobody has posted.
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« Reply #824 on: October 14, 2015, 05:00:24 PM »
« Edited: October 14, 2015, 05:10:06 PM by YPestis25 »

Muskie for America Turn Thirteen

Muskie Endorsers

Senator Howard Cannon of Nevada
-Will barnstorm throughout Nevada.
-Fundraise in Reno and Las Vegas.
-Register new caucus goers in concert with Muskie GOTV.

Senator Harrison Williams of New Jersey
-Barnstorm in working class neighborhoods in New Jersey, particularly Newark and Camden.
-Mobilize his network for Muskie.
-Fundraise in Atlantic City.
-Register new caucus goers in concert with Muskie GOTV.

Senator Joseph Montoya of New Mexico
-Barnstorm in areas populated heavily by immigrants.
-Register new caucus goers in concert with Muskie GOTV.

Past Muskie Endorsers

Fmr. Sec. of Commerce and Fmr. Governor of New York Averell Harriman
-Barnstorm in counties of New Jersey bordering New York.
-Register new caucus goers in coordination with Muskie GOTV.

Governor Milton Shapp of Pennsylvania
-Barnstorm in counties of New Jersey bordering Pennsylvania.
-Register new caucus goers in coordination with Muskie GOTV.

Fmr. Senator Thomas Dodd of Connecticut
-Barnstorm in coastal counties of New Jersey.
-Register new caucus goers in coordination with Muskie GOTV.

Muskie GOTV

Nevada
-Win over Harris voters who know their candidate cannot win here.
-Tout Senator Cannon's endorsement.
-Bring in mainstream Democrats from rural Nevada, as well as union members in the cities.

New Jersey
-Tap into William's network to encourage mainstream Democrats to turn out.
-Appeal to union members in major cities who are uncomfortable voting for Wallace or Yorty.
-Appeal to Udall supporters who wish to prevent a McGovern victory.

Colorado
-Appeal to members of the mining unions.
-Appeal to Yorty, Harris, and Wallace supporters who do not want another McGovern victory.

New Mexico
-Emphasize Muskie's immigrant background. (Father was a Polish immigrant).
-Tout Senator Montoya's endorsement.
-Bring up Rep. Udall's poor debate performance to bleed his support to Muskie.
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