Greece parliamentary election - September 20, 2015

[Zanas]

If ND wins, and it seems likelier every day, the "left-wing parenthesis" will have worked, albeit a bit longer than they had expected in last December. Depressing, yet very enlightening on what to expect from all the actors on stage (ie. not much).

Well, the Syria project never made much sense unless they were willing to take a chance and see if an actual Socialist society could work in 2015. They seemed never really to believe in their own ideology and instead relying on pure populism and extortion tactics. But that is likely the status of the modern far left in Europe. I wonder how many of them would actually try implementing their own platform if they got the chance.

Ironically, maybe the KKE would. Not necessarily for the best, though, even in my eyes...

Tsipras says he's open to cooperation with Pasok. Just without Venizelos and a few others.

RIP Syriza
RIP Greece
RIP politics.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

[Simfan34]

Very well, now just put on a damn tie!

[politicus]

Very well, now just put on a damn tie!

LOL

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yes, the austericrats have already won and democracy has already lost. No matter who wins the election.

[politicus]

More micro parties running:

Pirate Party of Greece, Greek affiliate of the international Pirate movement            
Society - Political Party of the Successors of Kapodistrias, SoCon Nationalists               
United Popular Front (EPAM), anti-austerity/citizens movement spring-off               
Recreate Greece (DX), Europhile Liberals

[jaichind]

Will Teleia run this time?  Teleia came out of nowhere and did quite well in the Jan 2015 election.

[politicus]

Will Teleia run this time?  Teleia came out of nowhere and did quite well in the Jan 2015 election.

No, they have given up. It was announced a while back.

[politicus]

ND offers to form a national government with Syriza if they win - but without Tsipras.

greece.greekreporter.com/2015/09/06/greek-main-opposition-leader-proposes-a-coalition-govt-with-syriza/

[politicus]

The right wing (very much so..) Nationalist Monarchists in National Hope are in. They do not have the backing of anyone in the deposed royal family.

[Zanas]

A bunch of polls keep coming in nearly every day. By averaging all of them, we could get somewhat of a precise picture of what's going on. I'll try to compile them when I have a moment. The general picture is :

Syriza-ND basically tied around 26-27%
XA 3d, but around 6%
Pasok, Potami, KKE around 5-5.5%
EK not further down around 4.5-5%
LAE between 3.5 and 6%, probably the most difficult to poll right now.
Anel not making it to 3% or barely.

[Hydera]

Yes, the austericrats have already won and democracy has already lost. No matter who wins the election.

Im still waiting for greeks to find money out of their buttocks to "END AUSTERITY" just by voting to do so.

[politicus]

The trial against the Golden Dawn leadership will resume on Thursday... talk about timing.
(but the people voting XA by now won't care)

http://www.ekathimerini.com/201278/article/ekathimerini/news/golden-dawn-trial-to-resume-on-tuesday

[politicus]

Deputy Speaker Alexis Mitropoulos is not on the Syriza list, and says he will vote KKE.

Zoe K. is #1 for Popular Unity in Athens city.

[jaichind]

A bunch of polls keep coming in nearly every day. By averaging all of them, we could get somewhat of a precise picture of what's going on. I'll try to compile them when I have a moment. The general picture is :

Syriza-ND basically tied around 26-27%
XA 3d, but around 6%
Pasok, Potami, KKE around 5-5.5%
EK not further down around 4.5-5%
LAE between 3.5 and 6%, probably the most difficult to poll right now.
Anel not making it to 3% or barely.

Last few polls has ANEL mostly over 3%.  Since ANEL tends to under-poll chances are better than 50/50 that ANEL will cross 3% based on the recent polls.

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I am going to make a bold prediction: ANTARSYA will enter parliament. They are one of the bigger sub threshold parties left (DX polled decently in the 2012 elections, but I imagine much of that niche has been hoovered by the media whore river leader.)

[politicus]

ND offers to form a national government with Syriza if they win - but without Tsipras.

greece.greekreporter.com/2015/09/06/greek-main-opposition-leader-proposes-a-coalition-govt-with-syriza/

BUMP

No comments to this?

It basically destroys Syrizas last hope. Among other things many won't care about who gets the bonus now.

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As BK said on AAD it's masterful politicking by New Democracy

[jaichind]

ND offers to form a national government with Syriza if they win - but without Tsipras.

greece.greekreporter.com/2015/09/06/greek-main-opposition-leader-proposes-a-coalition-govt-with-syriza/

BUMP

No comments to this?

It basically destroys Syrizas last hope. Among other things many won't care about who gets the bonus now.

Even if this were the case and the marginal voter believes ND, who wins the 50 seat bonus would still be relevant since the party that wins the 50 seat bonus should be able to dictate who is PM although now it seems less and less likely it will be Tsipras one way or another, even if Syriza comes out ahead.

[politicus]

ND offers to form a national government with Syriza if they win - but without Tsipras.

greece.greekreporter.com/2015/09/06/greek-main-opposition-leader-proposes-a-coalition-govt-with-syriza/

BUMP

No comments to this?

It basically destroys Syrizas last hope. Among other things many won't care about who gets the bonus now.

Even if this were the case and the marginal voter believes ND, who wins the 50 seat bonus would still be relevant since the party that wins the 50 seat bonus should be able to dictate who is PM although now it seems less and less likely it will be Tsipras one way or another, even if Syriza comes out ahead.

There is a large group of moderate centre-left voters that do not really like Syriza, but has feared ND would stray too far to the right. Scaring them into voting Syriza has been their best hope, but it won't work now.

[DavidB.]

Im still waiting for greeks to find money out of their buttocks to "END AUSTERITY" just by voting to do so.

They already did. Two times this year: in a general election and in a referendum.

ND offers to form a national government with Syriza if they win - but without Tsipras.

greece.greekreporter.com/2015/09/06/greek-main-opposition-leader-proposes-a-coalition-govt-with-syriza/

BUMP

No comments to this?

It basically destroys Syrizas last hope. Among other things many won't care about who gets the bonus now.

This is horrible. I don't care for the future of Syriza or ND, but I do care for Greece's future as a democracy and such a coalition would be highly instrumental in disappointing as many Greeks as possible with democracy. It would give rise to ugly movements on the ends of the political landscape that will influence Greece's already dark future for the absolute worst.

[jaichind]

Latest batch of polls still shows Syriza will a small lead over ND.  What is interesting is how much of the radical left vote is holding up.  Syriza + LAE is almost up to what Syriza got in Jan 2015.  It will be enough this time due to decline of ANEL and of course LAE not part of Syriza.  It is interesting how the number of viable parties that we can already preclude from any ruling bloc is going up.  It used to be KKE and XA.  Now we can add LAE to that and if EK makes it in as it seems likely it has to be added to that list.  And unless  Tsipras gets to be PM, we can pretty much rule out ANEL as well.  So we are left to search from Syriza, ND, PASOK, and Potami for a combination that can get to 150.

[politicus]

Syriza and ND tied in two of the last polls we are going to get. AK below in both (yeah, margin of error and all that, but still).


Metron:

Syriza 31.6
ND 31.9
XA 6.7
Potami 5.9
KKE 6.2
ANEL 2.7
Pasok 5.2
EK 3.6
Popular Unity 3.4
Others 2.8


Pulse:

Syriza 30.5
ND 30.5
XA 7.0
Potami 5.5   
KKE 5.5   
ANEL 2.5   
Pasok 7.0   
EK 3.5   
Popular Unity 4.0   
Others 4.0

[Zinneke]

How much will (illegal) immigration be considered when voting, considering most Greeks appear to be resigned to their fate.

[Landslide Lyndon]

How much will (illegal) immigration be considered when voting, considering most Greeks appear to be resigned to their fate.

Obviously the flood of immigrants hasn't helped SYRIZA at all, especially considering that the minister responsible for immigration policy was one the most inept and widely ridiculed members of Tsipras's cabinet.