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« on: July 27, 2015, 05:14:10 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2015, 05:16:12 PM »

Of course they're going to shower money on La Guardia, and leave Penn Station (which receives more travelers than all three metro airports COMBINED) and a desperately-needed new pair of tunnels under the Hudson to rot.

Thanks, Cuomo.  And as for you, Biden, I'd have expected better.  Sigh.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2015, 06:31:46 PM »

Rebuilding La Guardia in place is a lot easier to do than renovating Penn Station or building a pair of new tunnels.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2015, 10:22:51 PM »

Now can someone do that for Dulles already? Except for the Terminal Train, everything else is just...sad.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2015, 11:05:26 PM »

Rebuilt?  Was it destroyed?
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2015, 11:16:39 PM »


Over the course of several decades, yes.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2015, 06:04:14 AM »

How about connecting the airports to the subway system?
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2015, 09:17:26 AM »

Of course they're going to shower money on La Guardia, and leave Penn Station (which receives more travelers than all three metro airports COMBINED) and a desperately-needed new pair of tunnels under the Hudson to rot.

Thanks, Cuomo.  And as for you, Biden, I'd have expected better.  Sigh.

Didn't Christie scotch that deal?
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2015, 10:10:02 AM »

I won't believe it until I see it.

Of course they're going to shower money on La Guardia, and leave Penn Station (which receives more travelers than all three metro airports COMBINED) and a desperately-needed new pair of tunnels under the Hudson to rot.

Thanks, Cuomo.  And as for you, Biden, I'd have expected better.  Sigh.

I hate Penn and those narrow, squat platforms as much as the next guy, but what can one really do while there's an arena sitting on top of it? They were going to build a new pair of tunnels until Christie cancelled them, and there is the (greatly-downsized) Moynihan Station plan.

But $4 billion? That's two and a half times cheaper than what they're saying the Port Authority replacement will cost. The Port Authority! A bus station!

Either way, sh--ty infrastructure getting fixed is sh--ty infrastructure getting fixed. Here are some pictures:


LaGuardia Renderings
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2015, 10:14:27 AM »

There are also plans for a new $1.4 billion (lolno) terminal at Newark:



Then again I could give you lots of renders of proposals for shiny new replacements for Penn Station that aren't going to be built.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2015, 10:44:21 AM »

Why does it cost so much money to build in NYC?  I think it's a time that we looked at our building code, environmental regulations and the cut that the mafia gets. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2015, 10:44:50 AM »

How about connecting the airports to the subway system?

This is part of the deal.
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2015, 10:58:53 AM »

Why does it cost so much money to build in NYC?  I think it's a time that we looked at our building code, environmental regulations and the cut that the mafia gets. 

We need CATEXs. Lots of CATEXs! Otherwise we get this:

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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2015, 12:30:24 PM »

I pretty much only fly out of Kennedy, but this is certainly a must needed upgrade.
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2015, 12:32:37 PM »

Guess Trump will be happy. Airport standards are basically to Trump what 47% was to Romney.
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2015, 12:50:55 PM »
« Edited: July 28, 2015, 01:00:51 PM by traininthedistance »

How about connecting the airports to the subway system?

This is part of the deal.

Yes, and Cuomo's proposed alignment will not only not save a lick of time compared to taking the bus, but burden an already-crowded 7 train in really perverse and ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE ways.  If we were extending the subway from Astoria, that would be great: but Cuomo doesn't doesn't give one flying f**k about normal subway-riding people and doesn't care to listen to anyone who knows what they're talking about.

http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2015/01/21/for-laguardia-an-airtrain-that-will-save-almost-no-one-any-time/


Rebuilding La Guardia in place is a lot easier to do than renovating Penn Station or building a pair of new tunnels.

This is going to cost $4 billion.  Those other projects aren't that much more expensive, and would not only serve roughly an order of magnitude more people, but would provide proportionately more improvement.  We're talking about expanding capacity in an area where capacity is full with new tunnels... LGA might be a dump but it, y'know, does actually allow enough people to fly in and out, safely.
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2015, 12:53:31 PM »

Guess Trump will be happy. Airport standards are basically to Trump what 47% was to Romney.

What do you mean? Trump is not in charge of the airports.
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2015, 12:59:37 PM »
« Edited: July 28, 2015, 01:01:47 PM by traininthedistance »

Either way, sh--ty infrastructure getting fixed is sh--ty infrastructure getting fixed. Here are some pictures:

Yes, pretty and misleading renderings make it all better.

Oh my sweet Jesus, that f**king ferry (which is, what, a mile from the terminal?  But it's okay because FERRIES.  Ferries– a few exceptions like Staten Island granted– are such useless, classist bullish*t.)  Also you will note that the plan apparently includes an increase in in parking capacity, but of course these pictures conveniently airbrush out the garages that would require.

Oh, here's a radical idea that I saw linked to recently, which ought to be on the table (apologies for the source): maybe just shut LaGuardia down and use the airspace/funds for increasing capacity and reliability in JFK/Newark instead?
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2015, 01:05:48 PM »

Of course they're going to shower money on La Guardia, and leave Penn Station (which receives more travelers than all three metro airports COMBINED) and a desperately-needed new pair of tunnels under the Hudson to rot.

Thanks, Cuomo.  And as for you, Biden, I'd have expected better.  Sigh.

Didn't Christie scotch that deal?

Yes. But keep in mind that– not only back then but even today– Cuomo has been singularly uninterested in going to bat for it, getting it done, pushing Christie (who he is best buds with), etc.  There is blame on both sides of the Hudson, and we all suffer.
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2015, 05:51:16 PM »
« Edited: July 28, 2015, 06:20:04 PM by Simfan34 »

Maybe just shut LaGuardia down and use the airspace/funds for increasing capacity and reliability in JFK/Newark instead?

I was going to mention this.

Also you will note that the plan apparently includes an increase in in parking capacity, but of course these pictures conveniently airbrush out the garages that would require.

Also, yes, I just noticed that! Telling. As for the 7 train extension I think this would be a far more sensible idea (if lacking in stops) but you know how far sensible ideas get in this city.
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2015, 06:12:08 PM »
« Edited: July 28, 2015, 06:20:56 PM by Simfan34 »

ACTUALLY, I looked very closely at the full-sized image and found the parking, which I must say is very well-integrated with the overall design, although the report seems to think they may not have enough:





I'm still concerned as to how on earth the traffic flow will work with a layout like that.

EDIT: also these renders look like the SimCity 5 I never had
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2015, 06:21:29 PM »

Cuomo said it would be $4 billion and five years?  Ooooooops it's gonna be more like twice that, both on cost and time.

The only surprise here is that the truth is coming out so fast.
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2015, 06:28:05 PM »


Yes, and Cuomo's proposed alignment will not only not save a lick of time compared to taking the bus, but burden an already-crowded 7 train in really perverse and ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE ways.  If we were extending the subway from Astoria, that would be great: but Cuomo doesn't doesn't give one flying f**k about normal subway-riding people and doesn't care to listen to anyone who knows what they're talking about.

http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2015/01/21/for-laguardia-an-airtrain-that-will-save-almost-no-one-any-time/

Cuomo said it would be $4 billion and five years?  Ooooooops it's gonna be more like twice that, both on cost and time.

The only surprise here is that the truth is coming out so fast.

It really takes skills to suck as much as Cuomo.
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2015, 06:36:09 PM »
« Edited: July 28, 2015, 06:57:31 PM by Simfan34 »

Cuomo said it would be $4 billion and five years?  Ooooooops it's gonna be more like twice that, both on cost and time.

The only surprise here is that the truth is coming out so fast.

Of course it is. How is anyone surprised? In fact, I think this number is still too low. When you consider the location, the fact it is being built while the airport is supposed to remain open, all the regulatory bits they'll add on, take the new PABT as a comp, and keep in mind the fact projects are never on budget, I suspect $12-15 billion is more accurate. And it will be less exciting-looking by a similar factor. I actually think the present design looks rather... jumbled.

The previous scheme being thrown around not only seemed more attractively designed and coherent in layout (they kept the US Airways terminal), they actually seemed to have a circulation plan. Why did they get rid of it, especially when they were so far along?



Also, train, do you use the same handle on Twitter?
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2015, 11:27:50 PM »

Also, train, do you use the same handle on Twitter?

Yep.  Well, my username is a little different b/c of the character limit.  I don't tweet much, mostly just use it as a news feed and occasionally retweet urbanist/anti-Cuomo stuff and the occasional Clickhole article.
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