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« on: May 08, 2005, 04:06:59 AM »

Associated Press
Sunday, May 8, 2005; Page A12

WAYNESVILLE, N.C., May 7 -- Some in Pastor Chan Chandler's flock wish he had a little less zeal for the GOP.

Members of the small East Waynesville Baptist Church say Chandler led an effort to kick out congregants who did not support President Bush. Nine members were voted out at a Monday church meeting in this mountain town about 120 miles west of Charlotte. Forty others in the 400-member congregation resigned in protest.

"He's the kind of pastor who says 'Do it my way or get out,' " said Selma Morris, the former church treasurer. "He's real negative all the time."

Looks like someone's got this church wrapped around their finger
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2005, 09:02:26 AM »
« Edited: May 08, 2005, 09:05:00 AM by thefactor »

I don't agree with this church expelling members based on their politics.

It sounds like one of those extreme churches that probably repels more people from Christianity than it attracts.

Still, I think this is less consequential than the fact that a conservative has great difficulty getting tenure at a university.  In the academic and entertainment worlds, conservatives are effectively blacklisted in many cases because of their views.  While both are wrong, it's relatively easy to join another church, but it's difficult to get another career.

Um, this is completely untrue. Tenure cases are made based on amount of publications, with personal ability to get along with the other faculty as an additional factor to consider. The person's views are generally not considered.

Did the mythical liberal police give a test to Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson before allowing them to have a singing careers? Are they blacklisted now? Did they somehow escape the ACLU celebrity accreditors and the Democratic goon squad?

The reason there are more leftish professors are the same reason there are more leftish entertainers and movie stars. Because people who are attracted to those kinds of professions tend to have leftish views. Is the fact that liberals far outnumber conservatives in the science & engineering departments in the country's universities due to some liberal plot to indoctrinate students on the left-wing implications of Boyle's law? No.
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2005, 10:25:45 AM »

I don't agree with this church expelling members based on their politics.

It sounds like one of those extreme churches that probably repels more people from Christianity than it attracts.

Still, I think this is less consequential than the fact that a conservative has great difficulty getting tenure at a university.  In the academic and entertainment worlds, conservatives are effectively blacklisted in many cases because of their views.  While both are wrong, it's relatively easy to join another church, but it's difficult to get another career.

Um, this is completely untrue. Tenure cases are made based on amount of publications, with personal ability to get along with the other faculty as an additional factor to consider. The person's views are generally not considered.

Did the mythical liberal police give a test to Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson before allowing them to have a singing careers? Are they blacklisted now? Did they somehow escape the ACLU celebrity accreditors and the Democratic goon squad?

The reason there are more leftish professors are the same reason there are more leftish entertainers and movie stars. Because people who are attracted to those kinds of professions tend to have leftish views. Is the fact that liberals far outnumber conservatives in the science & engineering departments in the country's universities due to some liberal plot to indoctrinate students on the left-wing implications of Boyle's law? No.

I do think that more liberals are attracted to universities and the entertainment industries.  I also believe that there is discrimination in both these professions against conservatives.  Sure there are exceptions, but those who are trying to get a start in either of these professions had better keep their political views quiet; once they make it, they can then "come out." 

If they come out as a conservative too soon, they will most likely not get tenure in a university, and Hollywood will crush their careers.  You can deny it, but we'll just have to agree to disagree.  I think these two professions are another shining example of liberal "tolerance" and the hollowness of the liberal view when put into practice

The problem here is that you're the one making an accusation of bias, and thus the burden is on you to prove your accusation. Yet you have no evidence to back up what you say. There are gazillions of conservative celebrities out there, and most new celebrities aren't tested or usually don't even talk about their political views.

I know of several successful conservatives in academia, some of which have risen to the very top universities and had many articles published in the very top journals. In fact, I had even talked to one once and he told me that tenure decisions are made mainly based on publication productivity.

And further, not only have you not proven your point, you have not even presented any compelling motivation for discrimination. In the entertainment industry, the determinants of success are clearly based around talent shows, connections with promoters and good looks. The aim is to be a successful industry, just like business, rather than to promote an ideological view. Nor is there any rationale you've pointed out why university faculty in areas ranging from science to math to architecture to public relations all might be subject to political discrimination, as their fields have nothing to do with politics and they need never talk about politics during their entire career. Yet when you look at political donations by faculty they are just as liberal as those in the political science department.
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