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« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2015, 08:59:32 AM »

What do you think of a final vote (it's not a motion)?
I will not support this amendment.


Neither will I. I can't see this working out.
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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2015, 10:11:08 PM »

What do you think of a final vote (it's not a motion)?
I will not support this amendment.


Neither will I. I can't see this working out.
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2015, 09:28:43 AM »

Motion for a final vote.
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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2015, 10:57:08 AM »


Seconded
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2015, 11:04:11 AM »

A final vote is now open. Please vote.
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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2015, 11:05:41 AM »

Nay
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2015, 12:03:16 PM »

Abstain
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2015, 02:23:17 AM »

Nay
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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2015, 03:52:45 AM »

AYE

I like legislative oversight of the executive and until bore disappeared the move for a long time has been to shift power in the executive's direction so I don't fear too much for an imbalance in favor of the legislature.


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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2015, 06:21:49 AM »

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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2015, 05:27:56 PM »

It's not a valid vote. Please change your vote.
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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2015, 06:56:43 PM »

Abstain
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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2015, 02:41:00 AM »

This amendment has enough votes to fail (it needs at least 7 Ayes, now there are 4 non-Ayes votes).
Senators have 24 hours to change/add their votes.
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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2015, 02:54:36 PM »

     Nay
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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2015, 09:46:02 PM »

Aye
With such a large majority required it would only be used when the president is ineffective (inactive, going crazy, etc). I approve of this restraint on the executive.
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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2015, 11:57:55 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2015, 03:22:26 AM »

AYE (3): North Carolina Yankee, New Canadaland, Lumine
NAY (3): Cris, Kalwejt, PiT
ABSTAIN (2): JoMCaR, RPryor03

The amendment has failed to pass the Senate.
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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2015, 11:42:40 AM »

Ah well, I thought it was a good idea.

With such a large majority required it would only be used when the president is ineffective (inactive, going crazy, etc). I approve of this restraint on the executive.

This is about exactly right. I'm flabbergasted how multiple people seemed to think it would strip the President of all powers, when all it does is make it harder for a President to abuse a rarely-used power.

In fact, I'm surprised this amendment didn't pass 10-0. It seems obvious, but maybe I value checks and balances more than most.
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