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Senator Cris
Cris
Junior Chimp
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« on: August 11, 2015, 02:36:55 PM »
« edited: August 24, 2015, 03:22:48 AM by Speaker Cris »

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This is an idea I've had for a couple weeks now, and just decided that now is as good a time as any to try it. Can't hurt, right?

The point: the President, as it stands, can pardon almost anyone they want. This is too much unchecked power in the hands of one person. Senators can feel free to change the number if they want, but it shouldn't be too low or a coalition of like-minded parties could overturn pardons for political reasons.
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Sponsor: Citizen Leinad

Well, the Senate is already discussing changes to this article, I think we can talk about it in the other thread. What do you think?
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Senator Cris
Cris
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,613
Italy


« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2015, 04:21:12 AM »

In the past months, the Senate passed an amendment that will prohibit a President to pardon himself .

Presidential pardon is a prerogative of the President, and I don't think that the legislative body should interfere. But I'm open to hear arguments in favor of a Board of Pardons.
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Senator Cris
Cris
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,613
Italy


« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2015, 02:39:04 AM »

The decision to ensure that the President cannot pardon themselves was a thoroughly sensible thing. This move is unnecessary, I won't support it.

I mean, we're virtually at the point where we're giving the Vice President more active powers than the President.
This.
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Senator Cris
Cris
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,613
Italy


« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2015, 05:42:54 AM »

What do you think of a final vote (it's not a motion)?
I will not support this amendment.
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Senator Cris
Cris
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,613
Italy


« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2015, 09:28:43 AM »

Motion for a final vote.
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Senator Cris
Cris
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,613
Italy


« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2015, 11:04:11 AM »

A final vote is now open. Please vote.
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Senator Cris
Cris
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,613
Italy


« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2015, 11:05:41 AM »

Nay
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Senator Cris
Cris
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,613
Italy


« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2015, 05:27:56 PM »

It's not a valid vote. Please change your vote.
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Senator Cris
Cris
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,613
Italy


« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2015, 02:41:00 AM »

This amendment has enough votes to fail (it needs at least 7 Ayes, now there are 4 non-Ayes votes).
Senators have 24 hours to change/add their votes.
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Senator Cris
Cris
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,613
Italy


« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2015, 03:22:26 AM »

AYE (3): North Carolina Yankee, New Canadaland, Lumine
NAY (3): Cris, Kalwejt, PiT
ABSTAIN (2): JoMCaR, RPryor03

The amendment has failed to pass the Senate.
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