Presidential Pardon Limitation Amendment (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Who would constitute this Board of Pardons?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It is not from the President Polnut's of the world that we expect history making in the realm of executive excess.

That being said, I am somewhat sympathetic to the notion of balance of powers in this case. However, assuming the VP is independently elected, would still constitute the executive branch and would even acting in a cabinet position be placed in a hierarchical structure below that of the President nad there must be some means to preserve that sort of relationship in the VP amendment.

As for the pardon power, I would still like to hear more about this pardon board and how it woul operate were it not the Senate as Kalwejt framed earlier.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The decision to ensure that the President cannot pardon themselves was a thoroughly sensible thing. This move is unnecessary, I won't support it.

I mean, we're virtually at the point where we're giving the Vice President more active powers than the President.

     That would be fairly interesting, actually. It would be kind of like Texas. Realistically though, I doubt it would work well.

Don't dog on Texas, you represent them in the Senate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It is not from the President Polnut's of the world that we expect history making in the realm of executive excess.

That being said, I am somewhat sympathetic to the notion of balance of powers in this case. However, assuming the VP is independently elected, would still constitute the executive branch and would even acting in a cabinet position be placed in a hierarchical structure below that of the President nad there must be some means to preserve that sort of relationship in the VP amendment.

As for the pardon power, I would still like to hear more about this pardon board and how it woul operate were it not the Senate as Kalwejt framed earlier.

Hmm... for example a body of three members, one appointed by each branch of the government (that is President, Senate and the Supreme Court). Not a permanently working institution, conveing only when a pardon request has been made.

The President gives out few pardons so it would indeed be rarely used.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So where do we stand right now. Is there anything that would garner the necessary two-thirds at this point?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

I like legislative oversight of the executive and until bore disappeared the move for a long time has been to shift power in the executive's direction so I don't fear too much for an imbalance in favor of the legislature.