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« on: August 11, 2015, 06:32:46 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/hampshire-criminals-face-victims-families-sentencing-213331163.html;_ylt=A0LEVzqigMpVa.QAmkOl87UF;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--

[quote]New Hampshire Governor Maggie Hassan on Tuesday signed a law that requires convicted criminals to appear in court at sentencing when victims’ families and friends are given the opportunity to express their pain.

The law, believed to be the first of its kind in the United States, was proposed after a man convicted last year of murdering a 19-year-old college student asked not to attend his sentencing, saying he didn't want to hear the victim's family “yell and whine and bitch and moan.”
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2015, 11:32:53 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2015, 11:37:23 PM »

Wow, nice! Props to Gov. Hassan. Freedom law.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2015, 11:38:46 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2015, 01:05:19 AM »


I hope you support this when Schumer is convicted at the Hague.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2015, 03:44:49 AM »

What a load of populist bullsh*t.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2015, 03:53:58 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2015, 06:55:34 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2015, 07:40:17 AM »

If you can't spare the time, don't do the crime.

If you don't want to face the family of the victim at sentencing, then don't do the crime. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2015, 08:04:45 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2015, 08:09:37 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2015, 10:26:12 AM »


I hope you support this when Schumer is convicted at the Hague.

Well, watching Netanyahu testify against Palestinian leaders will be fun.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2015, 05:30:31 PM »

How could you guys possibly oppose this? It's not forcing the families to say anything, it's forcing the criminal to see what they have done. I am glad my step-uncles killer got to hear the victim's widow "cry bitch whine and moan" at him for a half hour.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2015, 07:51:56 PM »

How could you guys possibly oppose this? It's not forcing the families to say anything, it's forcing the criminal to see what they have done. I am glad my step-uncles killer got to hear the victim's widow "cry bitch whine and moan" at him for a half hour.
Whether you think this is appropriate depends upon whether you think the primary purpose of the criminal justice system is to punish, contain, or reform criminals. While forcing the criminal to be pilloried accomplishes the first, it does nothing for the second and it is debatable whether it helps or impedes the goal of reform. That said, I'm somewhat old school and wouldn't mind seeing the pillory and the stocks brought back for minor offenses, provided the convicted are kept from being physically harmed by the onlookers. It was the failure to do that in all cases that led to their abandonment.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2015, 10:35:23 PM »

Great law.....
You folks who oppose it clearly value the criminals more then the victims
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2015, 11:32:13 PM »

Great law.....
You folks who oppose it clearly value the criminals more then the victims
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2015, 11:43:18 PM »

It's not really clear to me why anyone should be permitted to skip his or her sentencing anyway, to be honest, barring a medical event or something like that.
That's what I was wondering.


edit-especially if your excuse is "I don't want to see the family of the people I murdered bitch and moan"...well, that's not an excuse.
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2015, 12:29:24 AM »


It doesn't really make much difference to me, but why exactly shouldn't criminals be required to face the victim's family in court? And I ask this as someone who generally sides with the accused over the accuser in criminal justice cases.
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2015, 01:27:59 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2015, 02:45:15 AM »

It's not really clear to me why anyone should be permitted to skip his or her sentencing anyway, to be honest, barring a medical event or something like that.
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2015, 09:29:30 AM »

How could you guys possibly oppose this? It's not forcing the families to say anything, it's forcing the criminal to see what they have done. I am glad my step-uncles killer got to hear the victim's widow "cry bitch whine and moan" at him for a half hour.
Whether you think this is appropriate depends upon whether you think the primary purpose of the criminal justice system is to punish, contain, or reform criminals. While forcing the criminal to be pilloried accomplishes the first, it does nothing for the second and it is debatable whether it helps or impedes the goal of reform. That said, I'm somewhat old school and wouldn't mind seeing the pillory and the stocks brought back for minor offenses, provided the convicted are kept from being physically harmed by the onlookers. It was the failure to do that in all cases that led to their abandonment.

Facing one's victim's would be a lot more of an inspiration to reform than just about anything I can think of, and may provide a way for the victim/family to come to terms with the situation and even enable the process of forgiving and reconciliation if that is something they are willing to do.
I don't know that it would be appropriate in all cases, but in general this is a good idea.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2015, 02:03:40 PM »
« Edited: August 13, 2015, 02:38:16 PM by Αλληλεγγύη »

How could you guys possibly oppose this? It's not forcing the families to say anything, it's forcing the criminal to see what they have done. I am glad my step-uncles killer got to hear the victim's widow "cry bitch whine and moan" at him for a half hour.

I don't actively oppose this, it's just so utterly pointless that wasting any time on this while so many genuine social problems go unaddressed for decade seems sickening to me. Who cares if defendants get to see their victim's family or not? Is this going to prevent any single crime in the entire country? Is it going to make anyone's lives concretely better?

It's funny how the "law&order" right are so prone to complaining about the "feel-goodism" of liberals, when in fact this law is the most perfect embodiment of "feel-goodism".
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2015, 02:27:34 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2015, 12:26:20 PM »

How could you guys possibly oppose this? It's not forcing the families to say anything, it's forcing the criminal to see what they have done. I am glad my step-uncles killer got to hear the victim's widow "cry bitch whine and moan" at him for a half hour.

I don't actively oppose this, it's just so utterly pointless that wasting any time on this while so many genuine social problems go unaddressed for decade seems sickening to me. Who cares if defendants get to see their victim's family or not? Is this going to prevent any single crime in the entire country? Is it going to make anyone's lives concretely better?

It's funny how the "law&order" right are so prone to complaining about the "feel-goodism" of liberals, when in fact this law is the most perfect embodiment of "feel-goodism".

Yeah, I forgot that Maggie Hassan was part of the law & order GOP.
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