Hillary Clinton email megathread

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Why the hell didn't you do this back in April?

She didn't have her awesome new personality transplant yet.

[HillOfANight]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/09/09/did-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-just-defend-hillary-clinton/

Julian Assange, who Hillary called out for his Wikileaks actions, is defending her, over the habit of overclassification in government.

[tallguy23]

If she had come out and apologized right away this whole thing wouldn't have blown up.

 #1 rule in PR: come out and tell the truth before your opponents have an opportunity to knock you down.

[HillOfANight]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/10/justice-department-rules-hillary-clinton-followed-/

The Obama administration told a federal court Wednesday that former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was within her legal rights to use of her own email account, to take the messages with her when she left office and to be the one deciding which of those messages are government records that should be returned.

In the most complete legal defense of Mrs. Clinton, Justice Department lawyers insisted they not only have no obligation, but no power, to go back and demand the former top diplomat turn over any documents she hasn’t already given — and neither, they said, can the court order that.

[Ljube]

Judicial Watch, which had at least 16 active open-records lawsuits against the State Department seeking emails from Mrs. Clinton or her top aides, said the administration is ignoring its own guidelines in trying to clear Mrs. Clinton.

“Indeed, the State Department’s own rules specify that personal records of a departing presidential appointee may not be removed from the government until the State Department ‘records officer in cooperation with the S/ES or appropriate administrative office’ approves of the removal, a process which ‘generally requires a hands-on examination of the materials,’ ” Judicial Watch said in a reply brief.

[Torie]

This is rather big news. Apparently, Hillary's server was not professionally wiped clean. Rathe, the emails Hillary deemed personal were just deleted in the ordinary course, in the way you or I would do it. That means they are probably recoverable, and we will find out whether there were emails deleted that were in fact not personal, but rather related to government business.

If a lot of emails are government related, and many embarrassing, then it will be hard for Hillary to claim it was just inadvertent error that some emails were deleted that should not have been. In fact, it will confirm that she is a liar. On the other hand, if the deleted emails are in fact personal, or just a few were government related, and not embarrassing, suggesting inadvertent error, then she will get a new lease on political life. So a lot rides on how this one turns out - a huge amount in fact.

It is odd that team Hillary has been stonewalling on this one. Why didn't they say long ago that there was no professional wipe, but ordinary deletion, that looks far less sinister? It suggests that team Hillary really did not want to clarify that the deleted emails would be relatively easy to recover. Which sort of suggests that there is some worry about what might be found there.

We shall see.

[Bull Moose Base]

This is rather big news. Apparently, Hillary's server was not professionally wiped clean. Rathe, the emails Hillary deemed personal were just deleted in the ordinary course, in the way you or I would do it. That means they are probably recoverable, and we will find out whether there were emails deleted that were in fact not personal, but rather related to government business.

If a lot of emails are government related, and many embarrassing, then it will be hard for Hillary to claim it was just inadvertent error that some emails were deleted that should not have been. In fact, it will confirm that she is a liar. On the other hand, if the deleted emails are in fact personal, or just a few were government related, and not embarrassing, suggesting inadvertent error, then she will get a new lease on political life. So a lot rides on how this one turns out - a huge amount in fact.

It is odd that team Hillary has been stonewalling on this one. Why didn't they say long ago that there was no professional wipe, but ordinary deletion, that looks far less sinister? It suggests that team Hillary really did not want to clarify that the deleted emails would be relatively easy to recover. Which sort of suggests that there is some worry about what might be found there.

We shall see.

I think you're missing the most likely scenario.

[Torie]

This is rather big news. Apparently, Hillary's server was not professionally wiped clean. Rathe, the emails Hillary deemed personal were just deleted in the ordinary course, in the way you or I would do it. That means they are probably recoverable, and we will find out whether there were emails deleted that were in fact not personal, but rather related to government business.

If a lot of emails are government related, and many embarrassing, then it will be hard for Hillary to claim it was just inadvertent error that some emails were deleted that should not have been. In fact, it will confirm that she is a liar. On the other hand, if the deleted emails are in fact personal, or just a few were government related, and not embarrassing, suggesting inadvertent error, then she will get a new lease on political life. So a lot rides on how this one turns out - a huge amount in fact.

It is odd that team Hillary has been stonewalling on this one. Why didn't they say long ago that there was no professional wipe, but ordinary deletion, that looks far less sinister? It suggests that team Hillary really did not want to clarify that the deleted emails would be relatively easy to recover. Which sort of suggests that there is some worry about what might be found there.

We shall see.

I think you're missing the most likely scenario.

I typed the scenario out, so it is not as if I missed it. But then, Hillary not stating there was no professional wipe, and she has nothing to hide, and looks forward to that being demonstrated, really makes no sense to me. Why would she have stonewalled when asked that question?

[Blue3]

Maybe like most people over the age of 50, she doesn't really understand the world of computers?

[Col. Roosevelt]

Honestly, having watched her press conferences and interviews on the matter, she's only made what could've been a non-issue into a national story. I personally believe that incompetence, rather than illegality, is at the heart of this scandal, but her behavior comes across much like Nixon's did during Watergate. Either way, it's a bad thing. Even if she didn't violate a single law, she's already made herself look deeply untrustworthy in the eyes of the public; on top of that, she acted with utter negligence. Let's be honest here for a minute: If your average worker at the State Department had been using their personal email server to conduct business, they would've been fired. Does such a person DESERVE the White House? I don't want Hillary there myself and I will only vote for her to keep a Republican out - but can she honestly survive this?

[HagridOfTheDeep]

She's not doing effective crisis management. Anyone who has fought with a significant other knows that "sorry (but I'm still right)" never makes anything better. Sometimes you've just gotta bite the bullet and show some humility for the sake of moving forward.

She has been unable to bank an acceptable, respectable loss on this issue. And make no mistake: No matter how you shake it, it is a loss. Unfortunately for her, she is making it a battle, which means the consequences will be even more severe for her campaign. It won't be a respectable loss; it'll be a significant one (in fact, it's already coming to be).

She misread everything... big-time.

[The Other Castro]

More work related emails are being found from the batch that she didn't turn over.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f80adbe482e14366ad1cec38f597db86/officials-more-work-emails-clintons-private-account

[Crumpets]

More work related emails are being found from the batch that she didn't turn over.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f80adbe482e14366ad1cec38f597db86/officials-more-work-emails-clintons-private-account

From the second paragraph of that article: 

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More work related emails are being found from the batch that she didn't turn over.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f80adbe482e14366ad1cec38f597db86/officials-more-work-emails-clintons-private-account

Yeah, this email thing isn't going well for her.

[exopolitician]

More work related emails are being found from the batch that she didn't turn over.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f80adbe482e14366ad1cec38f597db86/officials-more-work-emails-clintons-private-account

A non-story, but since its a new development it keeps the Email story alive which is not good for her.

[Adam Griffin]

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I'm so sick of this. It's clear that she has lied and that she has lied above and beyond what is acceptable at this point given her previous comments and assertions. She should have fessed up from the beginning and said "I did this because my family has been under attack for decades by Machiavellians, I wanted protection, it was wrong, and I'm sorry", but no...now we're going to have to deal with the drip, drop, drip, drop as her inconsistent and elaborate web of lies is slowly dismantled bit by bit. She is going to bring down the Democratic Party in 2016 because she has always been able to get away with deflection and lies, but not this time.

In this discovery, the following lies are seen:

• She stated that the 30,000 emails she "chose not to keep" were personal; this was not a personal email
• She used encrypted BlackBerry communication the first two months at SoS before setting up private email; this email chain began in early January 2009 (this was the reason her campaign gave for not handing over any emails from those two months to the State Department)

[Mogrovejo]

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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/9160a25f39e14507ab90c977d300dc8b/6000-more-pages-clinton-emails-be-published-wednesday

What are the chances that the server wasn't compromised at some point through out those 4 years?

[Gallium]

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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/9160a25f39e14507ab90c977d300dc8b/6000-more-pages-clinton-emails-be-published-wednesday

What are the chances that the server wasn't compromised at some point through out those 4 years?

Hillary got phishing email spam. Scandal!

[Likely Voter]

What are the chances that the server wasn't compromised at some point through out those 4 years?

Are they any different than the chances that the state.gov email server wasn't compromised? John Kerry has already said he assumes the Chinese and Russians are reading his emails.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/kerry-emails-chinese-russian-hackers/

[Averroës Nix]

One interesting aspect of this controversy that hasn't recieved enough attention is that, as far as I can tell, this couldn't have happened to a candidate with a better understanding of data governance. Nor would a candidate with this understanding have made the sloppy series of claims that has made this such a disaster for Hillary.

I wonder how many political careers these kinds of scandals will kill over the next decade? The issue isn't ignorance of nuts-and-bolts level technical issues, either, but instead the higher-level concepts involved in handling information on computers. I don't think it's enough for candidates to foist these issues off on IT specialists, at this point. One of the most disturbing comments to come out of this is just how hands-off HC apparently believes she can be wrt to this stuff. And I doubt that any other candidate takes it as seriously as they ought to.

[Torie]

Not sure what to make of this, but the NY Post allegedly quotes an unnamed Hillary legal advisor as saying it's time for her to lawyer up, because she is so legally vulnerable, but that Hillary is in denial. The article says that the investigation is moving along quickly, and should be finished by the end of the year.

[Bull Moose Base]

Not sure what to make of this, but the NY Post allegedly quotes an unnamed Hillary legal advisor as saying it's time for her to lawyer up, because she is so legally vulnerable, but that Hillary is in denial. The article says that the investigation is moving along quickly, and should be finished by the end of the year.

It looks like someone's not being careful enough. But that someone is you in regard to checking by-lines. This article, like this investigation it seems, has zero value.

[Torie]

Not a fan of Ed Klein I see. You think he made it all up?

[Ljube]

Not a fan of Ed Klein I see. You think he made it all up?

I say, where there's smoke, there's fire.

[Bull Moose Base]

Not a fan of Ed Klein I see. You think he made it all up?

I do. Look up his track record/Clibton obsession if you're not familiar with him. He clearly makes stuff up and the NY Post and FOX rewards him for it.