Should it be legal for race to be a criteria in sperm donor request?

[they don't love you like i love you]

As in should women be permitted to request sperm from a donor of a certain race, in addition to also permitted things like height, build, eye and hair color, etc. (which obviously aren't in any way linked to race.)

Seeing as how such categories are heavily linked to race, it's kind of hard to argue they should be while race can't be...unless you want women going for artificial insemination to just get a completely random donor.

[Murica!]

BRTD is talking politics?!??!?!?!?!

[PJ]

When people choose who they want to date, f[inks], spend the rest of their life with, etc., race factors into many people's decision, consciously or subconsciously. It could be argued that this is racist, but it happens and is impossible to entirely prevent. As long as choosing a sperm donor is chosen similarly to choosing a partner, it would be illogical to ban it.

[they don't love you like i love you]

I should point out Atlas is the only place I've ever seen this be controversial.

[Antonio the Sixth]

lolbrtd

[Marokai Backbeat]

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the entire idea of sperm donations, actually. Voted no.

Interesting, I don't think I've heard an argument against them before. Why?

[Famous Mortimer]

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the entire idea of sperm donations, actually. Voted no.

Interesting, I don't think I've heard an argument against them before. Why?

Really? It's the same arguments that are used against IVF in general, which are pretty common.

1) Why go to so much trouble to create a new life when there are already so many orphans in the world? It's basically just because people are vain, they can only love a child if it has their genes. Such people shouldn't be parents in the first place.

2) It destroys a crap ton of embryos (bad if you're pro-life).

3) It often leads to unwanted multiple births. Again, same issues as number 1, waste of resources. Additionally, when people unexpectedly have 5 kids they almost always have to go on public assistance. So tax payers end up paying to support people who just blew 100k on making 5 test tube babies, 4 of whom they didn't even want.

4) It often leads to premature birth. Again, waste of resources. Why are we creating sickly babies when there are plenty of healthy ones already?

[DemPGH]

Haha, is this even a question that's debated somewhere? Kind of like, do I have the right to consider ethnicity when selecting a mate? How about gender? It's equally preposterous, IMO, so of course.

[ingemann]

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the entire idea of sperm donations, actually. Voted no.

Interesting, I don't think I've heard an argument against them before. Why?

Really? It's the same arguments that are used against IVF in general, which are pretty common.

1) Why go to so much trouble to create a new life when there are already so many orphans in the world? It's basically just because people are vain, they can only love a child if it has their genes. Such people shouldn't be parents in the first place.

A significant of transnational adoption are stolen and/or bought children even in the third world, where we would think there was a oversupply. So to some degree those "unwanted" children are just one more way, for the rich world to extract resources, this time the most precious one they have at allm from the poor world.

[DavidB.]

I should point out Atlas is the only place I've ever seen this be controversial.

Yeah, basically this. Of course it should be legal.

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I'm against having children in today's day and age. Earth is already overpopulated, and people who want children can adopt (this is a preferable alternative regardless).

[DavidB.]

I'm against having children in today's day and age. Earth is already overpopulated, and people who want children can adopt (this is a preferable alternative regardless).

A significant of transnational adoption are stolen and/or bought children even in the third world, where we would think there was a oversupply.

[dead0man]

People still think the world is overpopulated?  Are you the same guys that fear GMOs and fluoride?

[Leinad]

I'm against having children in today's day and age. Earth is already overpopulated, and people who want children can adopt (this is a preferable alternative regardless).

Not sure if I buy this, but even if it's true, we have a way out:



The final frontier.

[ingemann]

There exist this idea among Americans, but also among many other westners that the poor world, is just full of poor orphans who can be send to the west. The problem even in the best cases, transnational adoption is controversial, in Korea as exampole who send many children abroad up to the 90ties, girls who had become pregnant outside wedlock was de facto forced to give up their children. In Africa the chilodren usual have large extended families, and the children are often stolen or sold by their parents thanks to the western demand for children.

No there's not some massive oversupply of orphans, there's some states who choose to push it because of domestic policies, but the massive oversupply people imagine exist, doesn't at least not for young children, for older children, there's more, but everything indicate that transnational adoption for them is rather traumatising.

[Sol]

Yes, but I'd argue it's morally questionable to consider it on a personal level.

[Murica!]

I'm against having children in today's day and age. Earth is already overpopulated, and people who want children can adopt (this is a preferable alternative regardless).

Not sure if I buy this, but even if it's true, we have a way out:



The final frontier.

Do you really have Ayn Rand in your sig and you reference a series in which everything is free and hunger has been wiped out? lol

[SteveRogers]

Yes, but I'd argue it's morally questionable to consider it on a personal level.

I'm not sure about that. I think that's true when it comes to choosing who you date, but being race-neutral in seeking partners and ultimately marrying someone of another race and raising a biracial child in a biracial household is very different from a single mother choosing to raise a child of another race on her own. I don't think there's anything racist or immoral per se about a single woman deciding she's not up to that task.

[Jacobtm]

People still think the world is overpopulated?  Are you the same guys that fear GMOs and fluoride?

Liberals are just nuts, thinking that abortion is great, having kids is kinda weird or really something best avoided altogether, but let's keep letting in tons of immigratns with high fertility rates... It's literally a recipe for national suicide. Promote birth control and abortion everywhere, encourage people to live like they're 19 for their whole adult life, partying and never trying to settle down to raise a family. Meanwhile import people with twice or more your fertility and watch your country slip away.

[ElectionsGuy]

Yes.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Yes.

[politicus]

People still think the world is overpopulated? 

It is getting more and more overpopulated every day, so still is a weird phrase in this context.

We consume more resources than we generate. The amount of arable land is shrinking and deteriorating in quality and drinking water becomes scarce in many areas. Wildlife halved in the last 40 years (important for some of us). CO2 emission growing at rapid pace.

[angus]

Wildlife halved in the last 40 years

while I agree with the spirit of your post, and in fact with all the other things you said, I have to call bullshit on that specific phrase.  You got a peer-reviewed study backing that up? 

[Zioneer]

Well, assuming they're allowed to want the child to look like them, I'd imagine that specifying race would be legal by definition.

[dead0man]

We consume more resources than we generate.

SOME resources we are using up, but we're not going to run out of "resources", ever.

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There are areas humans shouldn't live in as many numbers as they live, but that's really only a problem for the people living in those areas.  They can move to places more suitable to human beings, as they should.

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I'm going to need a cite for that too.  And where?  Certainly not where I live, you know, 'murica, with all our waste and guns, you'd think there wouldn't be anything left alive if you listen to a certain group of people.  Sure, some species are under more pressure than they were 40 years ago, other species are doing a lot better.

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and it will have to be tackled.

We are certainly over populated in certain areas, but the planet can hold, feed, shelter, clothe and entertain a LOT of people.