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« on: August 13, 2015, 06:16:47 PM »



This was posted on Bernie Sanders's Facebook page last week.
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2015, 06:24:04 PM »

GMO hysteria really is one of the worst things about the modern American left.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2015, 06:24:31 PM »

GMO hysteria really is one of the worst things about the modern American left.

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2015, 06:26:57 PM »

GMO hysteria really is one of the worst things about the modern American left.

Anti-vaxxers are probably the only thing that's worse.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2015, 06:33:20 PM »

Eh. The anti-GMO hype opens up a space to talk about how our industrial agricultural system is organized. Monsanto is evil for a host of reasons that have nothing to do with GMOs, so I'm happy for them and their corporate competitors to take a reputation hit.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2015, 06:40:55 PM »

I hate it when people say "X bad thing started a discussion" or some variation of it.

That's no excuse for a lie or a hysteria or anything like that.

The anti-GMO crowd isn't as bad as the anti-vaxxing crowd, but they're close, and I'm sure if anyone checked they'd find it's a lot of the same people.  Shame on Bernie for shamelessly pandering with no regard for reality or the consequences of his actions, as he has throughout this campaign.

As for the picture, someone painted the kernels green to make it look rotten, but actually the rest of the corn would probably look and taste much less appetizing without the use of GMOs to ensure a quality product.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2015, 06:47:45 PM »

Eh. The anti-GMO hype opens up a space to talk about how our industrial agricultural system is organized. Monsanto is evil for a host of reasons that have nothing to do with GMOs, so I'm happy for them and their corporate competitors to take a reputation hit.

This is the problem, the discussion and debate about this issue gets dissolved into how evil Monsanto are. Which isn't the issue. I have no issue with GM foods, as long as there are proper regulations. At the same time, I kind of do understand why some are worried about labeling, considering the hysteria about GM. I mean, people have been genetically modifying foods since we figured out how to plant things.

But I still do support labeling, backed up by strong regulations, as well as public education.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2015, 07:36:30 PM »

GMO hysteria really is one of the worst things about the modern American left.

Anti-vaxxers are probably the only thing that's worse.

They had led to places like Seattle having lower vaccination rates than South Sudan... Jenny McCarthy is an evil woman.
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2015, 08:25:10 PM »

This is what Progressives should be mad at Bernie Sanders at, not that he somehow hasn't done enough to promote Campaign Finance reform or something equally retarded like some progressives are.
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2015, 08:58:35 PM »

I'm not for banning GMOs, I'm for labeling them though. That's what this image seems to be saying. I'm fine with that.
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2015, 09:58:51 PM »
« Edited: August 13, 2015, 10:31:13 PM by Fuzzybigfoot »

Wouldn't a giant "GMO" sticker give bad implications in itself?  Otherwise why would GMO products  be singled out in the first place?  
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2015, 10:24:30 PM »
« Edited: August 13, 2015, 10:30:06 PM by Mehmentum »

GMO hysteria really is one of the worst things about the modern American left.
This.  There is no evidence to suggest GMO food is harmful, or in anyway different than non-GMO food. 

If companies want to advertise their food as GMO free, that's completely fine (as long as its true, of course).  But companies shouldn't be required to provide information on something that is completely irrelevant to the quality of the product, just to satisfy the paranoia of a certain slice of the population.
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2015, 10:29:06 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2015, 10:32:11 PM »

GMO hysteria really is one of the worst things about the modern American left.

Anti-vaxxers are probably the only thing that's worse.
That is true, since anti-vaxxers are more harmful to society.  Anti-vaxxers on the left probably come from the same place as the anti-GMO crowd, but there are also a lot of right wing anti-vaxxers.
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2015, 10:39:48 PM »

If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.

Another Bernie Sanders thread, another set of hysterical criticisms. He supports GMO labels, so he's basically as bad as anti-vaxxers. Okay guys.

And it's the supporters of Bernie that are supposed to be insufferable.
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2015, 10:43:44 PM »

If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.


Ah, the no true leftist argument. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2015, 12:04:00 PM »

If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.

I didn't realize that entering the left required one to leave any understanding of science at the door.
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2015, 12:11:12 PM »

If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.

I didn't realize that entering the left required one to leave any understanding of science at the door.

I can think of few other positions as stereotypically "American Progressive" in origin than comprehensive food labeling.

I didn't realize to support an asterisk underneath the food ingredients label saying the product has been genetically modified in some way required thinking GMOs were killing us all. I'm not asking for a f**king 20-point font size warning with a skull and crossbones slapped on top of chicken tenders.
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2015, 12:11:29 PM »

If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.
Wow, disagreement on a single issue means being cast out. Classy. 

Nobody gets to determine who's left wing or not, that's not how ideology works. I still think of myself and call myself left wing, if that bothers you, its your problem, not mine.

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If you actually read what's being said, you'll see that people are saying the exact opposite of this, that anti-vaxxers are worse. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2015, 12:16:02 PM »

If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.
Wow, disagreement on a single issue means being cast out. Classy. 

Nobody gets to determine who's left wing or not, that's not how ideology works. I still think of myself and call myself left wing, if that bothers you, its your problem, not mine.

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If you actually read what's being said, you'll see that people are saying the exact opposite of this, that anti-vaxxers are worse. 

So far, people on this board have determined Bernie Sanders: has issues with black people, wants to close the borders because he hates mexicans, and now apparently is anti-GMO. You can't just disagree with him, or take his statements for what they are, everything that comes out of his mouth (or in this case, his facebook page) must be indicative of the most cartoonishly stupid position possible.

Bernie Sanders is some old boring socialist activist/harmless hippy and some posters have actually called him "despicable." The hyperbole here drives me up a wall.
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2015, 12:16:40 PM »

The idea that 'having an understanding of science' should automatically imply certain policy positions and value judgments is completely stupid and painfully self-congratulatory.
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2015, 12:21:33 PM »

If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.
Wow, disagreement on a single issue means being cast out. Classy. 

Nobody gets to determine who's left wing or not, that's not how ideology works. I still think of myself and call myself left wing, if that bothers you, its your problem, not mine.

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If you actually read what's being said, you'll see that people are saying the exact opposite of this, that anti-vaxxers are worse. 

So far, people on this board have determined Bernie Sanders: has issues with black people, wants to close the borders because he hates mexicans, and now apparently is anti-GMO. You can't just disagree with him, or take his statements for what they are, everything that comes out of his mouth (or in this case, his facebook page) must be indicative of the most cartoonishly stupid position possible.

Bernie Sanders is some old boring socialist activist/harmless hippy and some posters have actually called him "despicable." The hyperbole here drives me up a wall.

The Sanders camp has done everything it can to make peace with the BLM movement.  I disagree with him on immigration and GMO, but that doesn't make him despicable.  The backlash really isn't about Sanders, its more his supporters.  At least, that's the feel I get from the situation.
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2015, 12:43:39 PM »

If you don't support including GMO information in food labeling then you're not left-wing, as far as I'm concerned.
Wow, disagreement on a single issue means being cast out. Classy. 

Nobody gets to determine who's left wing or not, that's not how ideology works. I still think of myself and call myself left wing, if that bothers you, its your problem, not mine.

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If you actually read what's being said, you'll see that people are saying the exact opposite of this, that anti-vaxxers are worse. 

So far, people on this board have determined Bernie Sanders: has issues with black people, wants to close the borders because he hates mexicans, and now apparently is anti-GMO. You can't just disagree with him, or take his statements for what they are, everything that comes out of his mouth (or in this case, his facebook page) must be indicative of the most cartoonishly stupid position possible.

Bernie Sanders is some old boring socialist activist/harmless hippy and some posters have actually called him "despicable." The hyperbole here drives me up a wall.

GMO labeling does not provide any relevant information to the consumer.  For the average consumer, a GMO label would only confuse them.  It implies that being genetically modified is dangerous or nutritionally relevant.  And, the absolute consensus of science says the opposite.

When a food label lists things like ingredients and nutritional information, it's all relevant.  The relevant information about food is nutritional information.  GMO labeling actually requires companies to put a bogus, misleading warning on their product.  It's unfair unless you have actual evidence. 

As for Bernie Sanders, I don't care that much about this issue.  But, here's what it means...

Bernie Sanders is a pandering, fallible politician who can be pressured into dumb positions by his supporters.  That makes him similar to all politicians.  Sanders just happens to pander to the left in American politics.  The left has their superstitions, stupid ideas and crazy nuts, just like the right and the center.  Sanders irresponsibly buys into the excesses of the left like Rubio irresponsibly buys into the excesses of the right and Clinton irresponsibly buys into the excesses of the center.  Granted, Sanders is not Dennis Kucinich, but he's not some amazing courageous truth teller.  He's a politician who happens to be on the extreme left wing of electoral politics.
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2015, 01:40:55 PM »

GMO labelling would serve no conceivable benefit, but also no real harm. If I was a politician I would support it, perhaps using the sappy dramatic pictures that Sanders is using; because I have no interest in stirring that nest. Politics is a bitch.

So what are the dangers of GMo's? Well, there's nothing wrong with the concept of genetic technology; as pretty much everyone with a modicum of understanding agrees. The "danger" is introducing a gene that encodes for a protein that triggers allergies. So, if I was allegic to peanuts, I would not want the situaton where biotech companies start splicing peanut genes into everything, as almost every meal will be a dice for death. But biotech firms aren't making freakish peanut-hybrid plants typically - normally bacterial genes are spliced into GM crops to promote resistance to insects and tolerance to herbicides. (Which is why in some respects the greenies should cheer - less herbicides would be a boon for the environment and health!) Very few people know (least of all scientists) if they are allergic to "random protein in bacteria #537836 so the theory goes:

1) Monsanto or other such evil megacorp finds a really sexy GM crop and wants in on the market NOW
2) company leans on Department of Agiculture to approve quickly, or brush other important steps like the serum test (where the protein is tested with wide sample of blood samples to see if anything fun happens); good ole animal testing and the "artificial stomach" (if the protein is denatured in the stomach, it doesn't really matter if it causes allergies).
3) product brought to market unready, and also cross-pollinates
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In practice, well, this doesn't really happen. DoA are very thorough (normally, the Hawaii papaya escapade aside - and that was a very curious case with none of the traditional GM villains like Monsanto playing a part) - certainly more thorough than they are with conventional seeds, which are approved at an unnervingly high speed (remember, conventional modification of seeds carries much of the same risks and novel fruits can carry reams of new proteins: see, Kiwis etc.)

The other thing to consider is that not all GMO's even involve new proteins. Some simply involve switching off existing genes. There is no real fathomable way anybody can get remotely ill from such a thing, and those sort of genetic modifications get sort of mobbed in with the potentially suspect modifications described above.

The other argument for GMO labelling (beyond the fact that I would be a political coward) is that it could demystify the black box surrounding the practice. If people realise they've been eating GM crops for donkey's years, well, they might realise they are less inherently scary than they think. It could end up a less, err, expensive policy in the long run if they accept the labels & invest in education etc. rather than continue to fight labelling in courts and in legislatures (which reflects very badly on them in the public's eye).
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2015, 02:07:44 PM »

Do you actually think there is no possible harm?

People might be improperly dissuaded from eating otherwise healthy food.  Think about the poor person who is ignorant of this issue and decides to do all their shopping at Whole Foods because of this labeling law.  There may be a disincentive to use GMO crops by producers.  And, you would think if the labeling demystified GMOs, companies would voluntarily label their food GMO.  They must have done research on that and found it would hurt their sales.  Maybe that goes away if everyone needs to label GMO, but it could be pretty unfair in some cases. 

And them what's the logic here?  If you're going to force people to label their products, shouldn't the burden be on you to provide a convincing reason?  Why not force all bottled water companies to label, "CONTAINS DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE"?  Couldn't hurt right?  But, some idiot is going to say, "ooh, I don' want water with chemicals in it, I'll buy some orange juice."
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