Black mom is horrified with the confederate flag T-shirts

[IronFist]

http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/08/tenn_school_district_says_it_can_t_stop_students_from_displaying_confederate.html
I'm just sick of it. There were so many talks about the confederate flag and I thought it is finally over. But I was wrong. It's only the beginning. A black mom is outraged because she saw some confederate flag T-shirts and decided that her kid is under threat. I'm sure she wasn't sincere and just wanted to become famous. People should be able to wave whatever flags they want especially if they don't discriminate anyone.

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"I'm Jewish and I find your shirt offensive"

"What this shirt?



I'm not discriminating against you now, you stupid over sensitive loser!"

[Antonio the Sixth]

Everybody should be horrified by Confederate flags, in any circumstance.

[Mechaman]

Everybody should be horrified by Confederate flags, in any circumstance.

Yes.

I remember once going to an MMA fight at the Catoosa Hard Rock Casino and parking my car at one of the nearby hotels in the area.  I was just minding my own business when suddenly I heard "HEY BOY!  YEAH YOU!" and saw a billy bob in a flagshirt and a balding ponytail.  Of course all he wanted to know was if there was free parking at the Casino which I was like "yeah, but it's all taken up now" but at the time it scared me crapless (and who calls someone "boy" anyway?).

[user12345]

Everybody should be horrified by Confederate flags, in any circumstance.

[Torie]

Any clothing choices in secondary school that are disruptive to the learning environment should be banned. Secondary schools are not, and should not be, free speech zones to the extent such interferes with learning. So out go T shirts with swastikas or Confederate flags on them.

[Classic Conservative]

Everybody should be horrified by Confederate flags, in any circumstance.

No they shouldn't, people shouldn't be afraid by a silly flag that The Army of Northern Virginia used not the offical Confederate States of America used.

[Famous Mortimer]

Everybody should be horrified by Confederate flags, in any circumstance.

No they shouldn't, people shouldn't be afraid by a silly flag that The Army of Northern Virginia used not the offical Confederate States of America used.

This is not a good point. If you think this is a good point, you need to re-evaluate your entire life.

[dead0man]

Any clothing choices in secondary school that are disruptive to the learning environment should be banned. Secondary schools are not, and should not be, free speech zones to the extent such interferes with learning. So out go T shirts with swastikas or Confederate flags on them.

Very much this.  People should generally be allowed to wear whatever stupid sh**t they want, and the rest of us are allowed to think you're an asshole if you wear certain things.  But not at public school.

[Cassius]

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

[Slander and/or Libel]

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

To call this specious reasoning would be to do a disservice to reasoning.

[DavidB.]

Don't feed the troll, and don't reply to the troll account...

[Antonio the Sixth]

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

You're starting from the - very dubious - assumption that your opinion has any relevance to this issue.

[pbrower2a]

"I'm Jewish and I find your shirt offensive"

"What this shirt?



I'm not discriminating against you now, you stupid over sensitive loser!"

I would find this one troubling, too... if I were an Ukrainian-American, among others:

[Indy Texas]

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

Pretty much any major world power's flag can be construed as a symbol of murder.

[pbrower2a]

The Nazi swastika is unambiguous on what it stands for.

The Rising Sun Flag (Japan) was associated with unmitigated horror between 1937 and 1945 in most of the world and from 1906 in Korea, but after that it seems comparatively benign.

If I were an inmate at Bergen-Belsen, then the most delightful image that I could have seen was a Union Jack signaling "new management". Likewise if I were in Dachau or Mauthausen, I would have been delighted  to see Old Glory making its first appearance.

...The secret is to make sure that the political entities for which the flags stand do not become Evil Empires.   

[useful idiot]

If students are complaining about it, how is it NOT causing a disturbance? What is their definition of a disturbance? The flag flying in front of a student's face so they can't see the white-board?

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

It's called time, and it means something. People only use this flag nowadays to be obnoxious to people who have a reason to be offended by it...

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You know what? I think we should ban all flags. Toss them all into the sea, as far as I'm concerned. Unless they're a cool flag with dragons on it.

[bore]

You know what? I think we should ban all flags. Toss them all into the sea, as far as I'm concerned. Unless they're a cool flag with dragons on it.

Flags with dragons on them are nothing less than the sign of satan, imo.

[Zioneer]

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

That is a really dumb equivalence.

[Cassius]

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

That is a really dumb equivalence.

Hardly, given that it was under that flag (or various equivalents of it), that the French government butchered priests and peasants in the Vendee, while simultaneously sending it's army tramping all over Europe looting, raping and murdering. Unless you're going to inform me you approve of those things?

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

Pretty much any major world power's flag can be construed as a symbol of murder.

This is quite true - which is why, unless you wish to push a particular ideology or cause, the whole business of banning flags because of what they represent can get rather murky.

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

You're starting from the - very dubious - assumption that your opinion has any relevance to this issue.

Not really - I'm just a simple man making my own observations, I don't claim to have any specialist insight into this matter, nor any real personal stake in it. People don't have to read my opinions, and if they do and don't like them, well, that's there business. I don't claim to be an expert. However, given that neither of us are American, neither of us lived during the Civil War or Reconstruction era, and neither of us, I presume, have any real personal stake in this matter, I don't particularly see why you should be accusing me of having an irrelevant opinion when yours is at least as irrelevant as me own.

I, personally, find the French tricolour to be a symbol of murder, theft, general lawlessness and deranged anti-clericalism, and certainly believe that the only good use for it is as something to wipe one's backside with. However, we're not banning the French tricolour, therefore I'm not on board with banning the Confederate Battle Flag either

To call this specious reasoning would be to do a disservice to reasoning.

What's specious about it; do you deny that the tricolour, and by extension the state it represents, is a symbol of anti-clericalism, an anti-clericalism that has occasionally taken on a very brutal and bullying manner, and that certain people might find this offensive.

I think, to be honest, people have taken my rather flippant comment rather too seriously, I mean, I'm in no way offended by the bloody tricolour, it's just a aesthetically unpleasant flag with a history that I don't particularly sympathise with. But I do a see a certain hypocrisy on the part of some who invest such emotional energy into condemning the Confederate flag whilst ignoring the thousands of other banners that have represented brutality and cruelty (many to a degree far more heinous than that of the Confederacy). I mean, for God's sake, the Union Jack has, at one time or another, stood for slavery, the slave trade, transportation to Australia, the interment of prisoners in Concentration Camps during the Boer War, the invasion and conquest of more peoples than I care to remember, and so on. I mean you could argue, I suppose, that the bad does not wash out the good, etcetera, and that the Union Jack (and the tricolour, for that matter) stands for more than just that, and I would happen to agree with that viewpoint. However, with the greatest respect, so does the Confederate flag. Whilst it stands for slavery, and all the attendant moral issues that went with it, it also (especially in the case of the Confederate Battle Flag), stands for extreme bravery and tenacity on the part of those who fought under it, many of whom never owned any slaves (indeed some of whom may have held qualms about both slavery and secession).

Whilst I agree that in many cases it's a tacky symbol, or one utilised by some rather unpleasant fringe groups, that doesn't deprive it of the deeper meaning that the things I mentioned above imbue it with, no more than the Trail of Tears does for the American flag. My point is simple; almost nothing in this world is black or white, and nothing is truly good or evil. Unfortunately, the price people pay for living in a democratic society is that they have to accept views and symbols that they find offensive.

[Simfan34]

Everybody should be horrified by Confederate flags, in any circumstance.

Antonio is right.

[Zioneer]

Here's the thing Cassius, the nation those various flags have represented have changed, morally speaking. The French have changed as a nation from the bloody tricolor days. The UK are likewise different from their slaving days, so the Union Jack has changed in meaning. Not so with the Confederacy (or more specifically the pro-Confederate culture). It has stayed the same, a vile symbol of white supremacy.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Naturally, the winners of history get to decide what their legacy is.

It is why the Allies weren't put before war crimes tribunal for firebombing Japan.

The problem for the Confederacy is that it has no saving grace. If you take out politics entirely and speak only for the honor, bravery etc etc, the problem is that it drains such endeavors of purpose. Bravery for what? Honor in the pursuit of what? The Confederacy was formed by seven states who demanded as their Constitutional Right the ability to impose slavery on the rest of the nation lest the slave population grow so large that it cannot be controlled and the salves rise up, burn the plantations and put owner's heads on pikes. People studied their classics back then and they knew of The Servile Revolts in Rome. People don't draw this conclusion as the governing motivation for the South, and therefore it muddles the message somewhat and reduces it to "South wants to keep Slaves, North says no, south secedes". When it should be "South wants to force slavery on the rest of the country, North says no, South rebels"

Four states joined the Confederacy only after the Union denied the first seven "their right to secede" in the eyes of the last four states. I might be willing to concede that VA, NC, TN and AR seceded over state's rights more so than slavery, but slavery is still the indirect cause even for them since the first seven seceded to protect slavery and they in turn seceded to protect the first seven's right to secede.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Down with the Rebel flag; up with the Union flag!