Trump releases detailed immigration policy paper

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Seeing dudabides rage about poor Jebby  and the Don makes me smile inside.

Here is the fundamental problem. I support Jeb Bush, yes, but I have my own views as well. I am very concerned about the direction this nation is headed in. I am a strong proponent of free markets and capitalism. What we have today is quasi-capitalism, we need to return to capitalism. Donald Trump would move us further away from that goal.

To be perfectly honest, "libertarianrepublican" your'e a fraud. Anyone who supports individual liberty and libertarian principles can't support or defend someone who is the king of corporate welfare and who has wanted to take away property rights.

This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

Look, we need a temporary worker program, we need a pathway to legal status, we need employment verification, and we should get rid of sanctuary cities. The only person who should be deported is Melania Trump because she contributes nothing to American society. Seriously though, this has been used as an issue for people like Ted Cruz who need to rely on winning the votes of the scared and ignorant, and it's been used by the Democrats to try and win over immigrants by giving them gifts.

I'm begging to think that you are actually Jeb Bush. This is too much panic for just a supporter, this is how a candidate would lose it. Calm down, John Ellis, it will be okay.

Read my response above. I'll support the nominee of the Republican Party UNLESS it is Donald Trump. Even the people who I dislike, if they are nominated, I will respect the will of my fellow Republicans and support our candidate because he/she will be better than the Democrats.

Should Bush lose the nomination, I will be greatly disappointed. But to be quite honest, it's about equally important to me that Trump loses as Bush wins because. Trump is against everything I stand for - he's about hatred, bigotry, and socialism. I'm about hope, inclusion, and capitalism.

Nice that you think I'm a fraud. Who said I was defending him, I just hate Bush even more lol.

[dudeabides]

Seeing dudabides rage about poor Jebby  and the Don makes me smile inside.

Here is the fundamental problem. I support Jeb Bush, yes, but I have my own views as well. I am very concerned about the direction this nation is headed in. I am a strong proponent of free markets and capitalism. What we have today is quasi-capitalism, we need to return to capitalism. Donald Trump would move us further away from that goal.

To be perfectly honest, "libertarianrepublican" your'e a fraud. Anyone who supports individual liberty and libertarian principles can't support or defend someone who is the king of corporate welfare and who has wanted to take away property rights.

This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

Look, we need a temporary worker program, we need a pathway to legal status, we need employment verification, and we should get rid of sanctuary cities. The only person who should be deported is Melania Trump because she contributes nothing to American society. Seriously though, this has been used as an issue for people like Ted Cruz who need to rely on winning the votes of the scared and ignorant, and it's been used by the Democrats to try and win over immigrants by giving them gifts.

I'm begging to think that you are actually Jeb Bush. This is too much panic for just a supporter, this is how a candidate would lose it. Calm down, John Ellis, it will be okay.

Read my response above. I'll support the nominee of the Republican Party UNLESS it is Donald Trump. Even the people who I dislike, if they are nominated, I will respect the will of my fellow Republicans and support our candidate because he/she will be better than the Democrats.

Should Bush lose the nomination, I will be greatly disappointed. But to be quite honest, it's about equally important to me that Trump loses as Bush wins because. Trump is against everything I stand for - he's about hatred, bigotry, and socialism. I'm about hope, inclusion, and capitalism.

Nice that you think I'm a fraud. Who said I was defending him, I just hate Bush even more lol.

From a libertarian perspective, I get that Rand Paul is the best candidate, but Trump should be considered the worst. First of all, if you disagree with Jeb Bush on foreign policy, you then have to disagree with Trump because while Trump did oppose the mission in Iraq, he also said he was "the most militaristic person." Trump also has a history of supporting gun control, opposing private property rights, supporting socialized medicine, these are all radically left wing, anti-libertarian positions that no other GOP candidate (except for George Pataki and John Kasich on gun control) has taken. On top of that, this guy is a crony capitalist - one of the things I love about libertarians is they hate crony capitalism and expose it for what it is.

I mean, look what Michael Tanner at NRO wrote just a few days ago:

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Now, to be fair, the same article does discuss my candidate spending $456 million in taxpayer funds to bring life sciences and biotech to Florida. But even in his situation, while I disagree with Governor Bush's use of a state fund, he didn't cater to one individual and pick winners and losers like Chris Christie (who has spent $2.1 billion on corporate welfare in 2014 alone) and others, and he certainly didn't buy corporate welfare off the backs of taxpayers the way Mr. Trump did.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

I have my reasons for opposing Jeb Bush:

A.) He's a Bush, I do NOT want another Bush as President and I hope he doesn't become the nominee so it shatters the dreams of the Bush clan and prove that the GOP doesn't want them any more.

B.) He still can't make up his mind about whether Iraq was a justified war (which it wasn't).

C.) he keeps flip flopping on education and he has supported Common Core, the federal government has no business being involved in the education of our children and Jeb still can't say he is 100% for that. He's out of the mainstream with the GOP on education.

D.) He has refused to sign the Americans for Tax Reform pledge to not raise taxes, lest we have a repeat of what Bush 41 did.

E.) Lest I mention the whole Terri Schiavo case when he forcibly kept her alive against her families wishes because of "his personal beliefs" and continued to let her suffer in her condition.

[dudeabides]

I have my reasons for opposing Jeb Bush:

A.) He's a Bush, I do NOT want another Bush as President and I hope he doesn't become the nominee so it shatters the dreams of the Bush clan and prove that the GOP doesn't want them any more.

B.) He still can't make up his mind about whether Iraq was a justified war (which it wasn't).

C.) he keeps flip flopping on education and he has supported Common Core, the federal government has no business being involved in the education of our children and Jeb still can't say he is 100% for that. He's out of the mainstream with the GOP on education.

D.) He has refused to sign the Americans for Tax Reform pledge to not raise taxes, lest we have a repeat of what Bush 41 did.

E.) Lest I mention the whole Terri Schiavo case when he forcibly kept her alive against her families wishes because of "his personal beliefs" and continued to let her suffer in her condition.

A.) America was better off under George W. Bush than it has been under Barack Obama. George W. Bush defended this country after the worst attack on our soil.

Don't believe me? http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/07/60-terrorist-plots-since-911-continued-lessons-in-domestic-counterterrorism

B.) He did make up his mind. He said that knowing what we know now, he would not have invaded. But, he has also said that this President withdrew without leaving any residual forces behind against the advice of some in the military. Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has said the same thing.

C.) Common Core was not created by the federal government nor was it implemented by the federal government. Governor Bush has said he supports common core, but opposes having the federal government involved in educational standards directly or indirectly. Look, I oppose common core, but in the end it's a state issue, Governor Bush has been consistent here.

D.) Jeb Bush reduced taxes by $19 billion in Florida. He has said he wants to reform the tax code with lower rates and fewer loopholes. Frankly, Grover Norquist is full of hot air and no one except a few in the GOP establishment that you dislike actually take him seriously. The only pledge any presidential candidate should take is what they promise the American people, not some group.

E.) Terry Schiavo's parents wanted to keep her alive. Her selfish husband who couldn't keep it in his pants wanted her out of the picture so he could be with another woman without feeling guilty. Governor Bush exercised strong moral judgement.

[King]

This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

See, it's rather telling that's the response you latch onto. You can't dispute that Romney had no policy proposals in his campaign or even bring up that Jeb does either.

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Fine suggestions. So why vote Republican to make that happen when Hillary Clinton and the Democrats could do it instead?

Donald Trump is the first Republican in over a decade to be about something other than "defeat the Democrats." He's far from a joke. He's the most real candidate the Republicans have right now.

[dudeabides]

This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

See, it's rather telling that's the response you latch onto. You can't dispute that Romney had no policy proposals in his campaign or even bring up that Jeb does either.

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Fine suggestions. So why vote Republican to make that happen when Hillary Clinton and the Democrats could do it instead?

Donald Trump is the first Republican in over a decade to be about something other than "defeat the Democrats." He's far from a joke. He's the most real candidate the Republicans have right now.

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated she has no respect for the rule of law. She supports a pathway to citizenship, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I highly doubt she'd support defunding sanctuary cities, she'd support the Dream Act, and she'd try to give amnesty where she can.

No, Donald Trump is a joke. The tea party is falling for his B.S. because they are scared and angry. But the majority of Republicans still support other serious candidates.

[King]

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated she has no respect for the rule of law. She supports a pathway to citizenship, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I highly doubt she'd support defunding sanctuary cities, she'd support the Dream Act, and she'd try to give amnesty where she can.

The rule of law doesn't really factor into what policy proposals are.

Defunding sanctuary cities would not matter at all if there's a pathway to citizenship. The DREAM Act is a pathway to citizenship. Again, I don't understand what Jeb is offering that the Democrats aren't on this issue.

[dudeabides]

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated she has no respect for the rule of law. She supports a pathway to citizenship, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I highly doubt she'd support defunding sanctuary cities, she'd support the Dream Act, and she'd try to give amnesty where she can.

The rule of law doesn't really factor into what policy proposals are.

Defunding sanctuary cities would not matter at all if there's a pathway to citizenship. The DREAM Act is a pathway to citizenship. Again, I don't understand what Jeb is offering that the Democrats aren't on this issue.

The major difference is that Bush wants a pathway to legal status, the Democrats want to skip that step and go right to citizenship. Democrats had four years to get immigration reform passed. They had two years under George W. Bush, who was with them on this issue, and they controlled both the white house and congress for two years. Governor Bush has written a book on this topic, he understands the issue, and he would fight for reform where as the Democrats have failed to get reform passed. Also, I don't hear the Democrats discussing reforming the legal immigration system, Governor Bush wants to make it so we have fewer people coming here for family unity and more coming here to contribute to our economy.

[Cory]

Terry Schiavo's parents wanted to keep her alive. Her selfish husband who couldn't keep it in his pants wanted her out of the picture so he could be with another woman without feeling guilty. Governor Bush exercised strong moral judgement.

This takes hackery to a whole new level. Unbelievable. The old user "Politico" wasn't even this bad.

Think about it people, little toads like this support Jeb Bush. It takes someone like that to be genuinely excited about Jeb.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

See, it's rather telling that's the response you latch onto. You can't dispute that Romney had no policy proposals in his campaign or even bring up that Jeb does either.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Fine suggestions. So why vote Republican to make that happen when Hillary Clinton and the Democrats could do it instead?

Donald Trump is the first Republican in over a decade to be about something other than "defeat the Democrats." He's far from a joke. He's the most real candidate the Republicans have right now.

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated she has no respect for the rule of law. She supports a pathway to citizenship, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I highly doubt she'd support defunding sanctuary cities, she'd support the Dream Act, and she'd try to give amnesty where she can.

No, Donald Trump is a joke. The tea party is falling for his B.S. because they are scared and angry. But the majority of Republicans still support other serious candidates.

So far Donald Trump is the only one who is also polling well in both groups, or at least was. 

And ftr, I recall Romney saying all three things that you said Trump was lying about in either 2007 or 2011 or both.

[ElectionsGuy]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/16/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plans/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

It includes ending birthright citizenship (altering the 14th amendment), building a wall and making Mexico pay for it (as we all know), getting rid of Obama's executive order on illegal immigrants, a pause in issuing green cards, a national system to track legal status of US workers, and tripling border security.

[DrScholl]

I'm interested in how he would make Mexico pay for building a wall. Usually trying to make another country do something has poor results.

[Jacobtm]

Ok well you could just read the linked article, where it gives specifics:

"Trump also explained how he would force the Mexican government to bankroll a wall along the southern border.

If Mexico refuses to pay for the wall, a Trump administration would begin charging additional fees to Mexicans who come into the U.S. on visas or with border crossing cars -- particularly for visas to "Mexican CEOs and diplomats," which Trump would cancel "if necessary." Trump's plan also calls for possible tariffs and foreign aid cuts and would seize "all remittance payments derived from illegal wages.""

Good proposal.

[dudeabides]

I think Trump should pay for the wall since he owes taxpayers billions from corporate subsidies for him they've supported and for his wasting time in bankruptcy court. I also happen to know that Trump is a criminal, but I'm not going to go any further on an online forum. Just know there's a lot of dirt on him that isn't coming out.

[ag]

Ok well you could just read the linked article, where it gives specifics:

"Trump also explained how he would force the Mexican government to bankroll a wall along the southern border.

If Mexico refuses to pay for the wall, a Trump administration would begin charging additional fees to Mexicans who come into the U.S. on visas or with border crossing cars -- particularly for visas to "Mexican CEOs and diplomats," which Trump would cancel "if necessary." Trump's plan also calls for possible tariffs and foreign aid cuts and would seize "all remittance payments derived from illegal wages.""

Good proposal.

I hope you guys know that Mexicans have visa-free access to Europe (both Schengen and UK), Japan, etc., etc. The paying Mexican public would go to Madrid and Paris, if coming to the US is expensive/humiliating.  It is only business contacts that really depend on travels to the US (rather than, say, France): and these, most definitely, are of mutual benefit, and cutting those would be pretty damn costly to the US - rather than paying for the wall, these measures would have to be paid for themselves.

As for remittance payments, it would be hard to cut them without hurting commercial transactions: once again, this is the sort of the measure that would need to be financed, rather than collect much money. If remittances are truly affected, this would, basically, further encourage current migrants settling in the US (instead of sending the money to Mexico, they will be moving families to the US). As it is, the migrant population has had its ties to Mexico weakened - they are now a lot more US-oriented, and, hence, a lot harder to persuade to migrate back. This would make getting rid of those 11 mln he wants to get rid of harder, not easier.

Finally, US foreign aid to Mexico is largely directed towards things like the war on drugs. Frankly, if US cuts it, and the other  measures Trump is proposing are adopted, it is hard to see why Mexico should continue playing along with that idiocy at all.

[Simfan34]

Ok well you could just read the linked article, where it gives specifics:

"Trump also explained how he would force the Mexican government to bankroll a wall along the southern border.

If Mexico refuses to pay for the wall, a Trump administration would begin charging additional fees to Mexicans who come into the U.S. on visas or with border crossing cars -- particularly for visas to "Mexican CEOs and diplomats," which Trump would cancel "if necessary." Trump's plan also calls for possible tariffs and foreign aid cuts and would seize "all remittance payments derived from illegal wages.""

This is perhaps the most heartless proposal I have ever read coming from a presidential candidate. Most of the time, making money to send to their families is the primary motivation for immigrants. Confiscating remittances would not only impoverish immigrants' families but render the immigrants themselves virtual government chattel.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

Ok well you could just read the linked article, where it gives specifics:

"Trump also explained how he would force the Mexican government to bankroll a wall along the southern border.

If Mexico refuses to pay for the wall, a Trump administration would begin charging additional fees to Mexicans who come into the U.S. on visas or with border crossing cars -- particularly for visas to "Mexican CEOs and diplomats," which Trump would cancel "if necessary." Trump's plan also calls for possible tariffs and foreign aid cuts and would seize "all remittance payments derived from illegal wages.""

This is perhaps the most heartless proposal I have ever read coming from a presidential candidate. Most of the time, making money to send to their families is the primary motivation for immigrants. Confiscating remittances would not only impoverish them but render the senders virtual government chattel.

It may be heartless- but it is sound.... and I absolutey detest Donald Trump
Some one who comes here illegally and then sends our money out of this nation is doing us NO good....

[DrScholl]

Ok well you could just read the linked article, where it gives specifics:

"Trump also explained how he would force the Mexican government to bankroll a wall along the southern border.

If Mexico refuses to pay for the wall, a Trump administration would begin charging additional fees to Mexicans who come into the U.S. on visas or with border crossing cars -- particularly for visas to "Mexican CEOs and diplomats," which Trump would cancel "if necessary." Trump's plan also calls for possible tariffs and foreign aid cuts and would seize "all remittance payments derived from illegal wages.""

Good proposal.

THAT still wouldn't force them to build the wall, there isn't enough burden there for them to foot the bill for a wall. Considering that there are probably business interests in the US that would deal with businesses in Mexico, there would be some opposition from the business community here. He can have a plan, but if it fails, I'd like to see him force Mexico to foot the bill.

[Ljube]

Trump is here to stay. Soon, everybody will be jumping on the Donald bandwagon and he will be unstoppable.

[dudeabides]

Trump is here to stay. Soon, everybody will be jumping on the Donald bandwagon and he will be unstoppable.

The only people who support Donald Trump are old white males and a few displaced workers who are angry because immigrants moved into their neighborhoods and they believe globalization has led to the loss of manufacturing jobs. Trump's supporters don't read, they don't care to learn anything, they can't think for themselves.

[Cory]

Trump's supporters don't read, they don't care to learn anything, they can't think for themselves.

Something tells me you weren't bashing these people when they got Bush Jr. re-elected and got the GOP control of the House and Senate.

[Mr. Morden]

The only people who support Donald Trump are old white males and a few displaced workers who are angry because immigrants moved into their neighborhoods and they believe globalization has led to the loss of manufacturing jobs.

Republicans skew older in general, but almost every primary poll shows Trump supporters skewing younger than the typical Republican demographic.

[ag]

Some one who comes here illegally and then sends our money out of this nation is doing us NO good....

Well, now that my comment was deleted (deservedly, of course), let me really let loose.

The people who come to the US illegally to work earn their money by hard work. Harder work than nearly all of us here can imagine. They work night and day, frequently multiple full-time jobs at the same time, barely finding a moment to sleep. They do the jobs nobody wants to do. Hard field agriculture (getting you the oranges you have for the juice at breakfast). Restaurants, washing dishes (so that you can afford, actually, going to a restaurant). And, yes, they are the ones wiping your grandparents' dirty bottoms in those nursing homes, while you guys are posting the comments like this.  

I've been there, in American rehabs/nursing homes. My grandpa was, actually, a US citizen and lived in the US. He was the sort of a guy who would not use an elevator until late into his 80s... But, then, old age caught up and every few months he would find himself in a hospital, followed by a rehab. I would fly from Mexico to be nearby. And, guess, who was there, working the dirtiest jobs for him? (I am a Mexican and I speak Spanish, I know).

And then, when it came to a choice between permanent nursing home and leaving the US to be with the family, he went back to Russia. And you know what made it possible for him to die in his own bed? Of course, an illegal Moldavian nurse, who was at his side day and night for two whole years.

Now, most of you, guys, will not have a family to come back to in Moscow - or in Mexico. And if you think that your children will be able to afford a 24-hour legal nursing help at home (or, else, would be willing to stop working to care for you), you may be a tad overoptimistic. So, yeah, pray you do not have to be placed in a nursing home. And, if you are in a nursing home, pray that home is willing to be less than stellar in using the e-verify. Because otherwise you may be in for some very unpleasant surprises.

They do YOU no good, my ass.

[Lief 🗽]

Face it folks. Trump is running the most serious campaign of all the Republicans. He's the only adult in a room full of shallow, policy-averse children.

[Fuzzy Says: "Abolish NPR!"]

Seeing dudabides rage about poor Jebby  and the Don makes me smile inside.

Here is the fundamental problem. I support Jeb Bush, yes, but I have my own views as well. I am very concerned about the direction this nation is headed in. I am a strong proponent of free markets and capitalism. What we have today is quasi-capitalism, we need to return to capitalism. Donald Trump would move us further away from that goal.

To be perfectly honest, "libertarianrepublican" your'e a fraud. Anyone who supports individual liberty and libertarian principles can't support or defend someone who is the king of corporate welfare and who has wanted to take away property rights.

This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

Look, we need a temporary worker program, we need a pathway to legal status, we need employment verification, and we should get rid of sanctuary cities. The only person who should be deported is Melania Trump because she contributes nothing to American society. Seriously though, this has been used as an issue for people like Ted Cruz who need to rely on winning the votes of the scared and ignorant, and it's been used by the Democrats to try and win over immigrants by giving them gifts.

I'm begging to think that you are actually Jeb Bush. This is too much panic for just a supporter, this is how a candidate would lose it. Calm down, John Ellis, it will be okay.

Read my response above. I'll support the nominee of the Republican Party UNLESS it is Donald Trump. Even the people who I dislike, if they are nominated, I will respect the will of my fellow Republicans and support our candidate because he/she will be better than the Democrats.

Should Bush lose the nomination, I will be greatly disappointed. But to be quite honest, it's about equally important to me that Trump loses as Bush wins because. Trump is against everything I stand for - he's about hatred, bigotry, and socialism. I'm about hope, inclusion, and capitalism.

Nice that you think I'm a fraud. Who said I was defending him, I just hate Bush even more lol.

From a libertarian perspective, I get that Rand Paul is the best candidate, but Trump should be considered the worst. First of all, if you disagree with Jeb Bush on foreign policy, you then have to disagree with Trump because while Trump did oppose the mission in Iraq, he also said he was "the most militaristic person." Trump also has a history of supporting gun control, opposing private property rights, supporting socialized medicine, these are all radically left wing, anti-libertarian positions that no other GOP candidate (except for George Pataki and John Kasich on gun control) has taken. On top of that, this guy is a crony capitalist - one of the things I love about libertarians is they hate crony capitalism and expose it for what it is.

I mean, look what Michael Tanner at NRO wrote just a few days ago:

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Now, to be fair, the same article does discuss my candidate spending $456 million in taxpayer funds to bring life sciences and biotech to Florida. But even in his situation, while I disagree with Governor Bush's use of a state fund, he didn't cater to one individual and pick winners and losers like Chris Christie (who has spent $2.1 billion on corporate welfare in 2014 alone) and others, and he certainly didn't buy corporate welfare off the backs of taxpayers the way Mr. Trump did.

http://www.tcpalm.com/franchise/shaping-our-future/vgti-facing-financial-issues_91933636

Jebbie picked losers in biotech; now, FL municipalities are on the hook.