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« on: August 18, 2015, 01:10:51 PM »

Ever since his immigration reform plan came out yesterday I have been thinking about this. I get that Trump is tapping into this "populism" if you will of the "Republican Primary Electorate". Its almost like Ross Perot "Independent Bid"  in 1992 but without the Texas Drawl that's replaced with anger some real(bad trade deals not protecting the border(mainly from 1995-2007) and some anger that's real demeaning(deport all illegal immigrants, and his fued with Megyn Kelly.) The guy is all bark but no bite to me. His immigration plan is not realistic.

The anger I have to talk about to. Did Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, the 2 Bush's or Obama get elected running on anger if you will? No. Those 5 Presidents get elected because they ran as optimists. It seems like the angrier he gets the more distance in the polls he puts between himself and his Republican Competitors. I just have never seen anything like this. Even a former Talk Show Host like Montel Williams sticking up for Trump Candidacy surprised me.
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2015, 01:26:34 PM »

Stupid people like stupid candidates.
Bigots like bigoted candidates.
People who hate America like candidates who hate America.
Socialists love socialists.
Angry people like angry candidates.
People who are soft on defense like candidates who are soft on defense.
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2015, 01:28:57 PM »

Racism.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2015, 01:33:43 PM »

No its not that and yes I have thought about if Race is an issue but it doesn't seem like it is with Trump's candidacy.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2015, 01:34:47 PM »

No its not that and yes I have thought about if Race is an issue but it doesn't seem like it is with Trump's candidacy.

In the world you live in, the KKK is just a social group. Geez, wake up.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2015, 01:35:57 PM »

He tells "it" like "it" is.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2015, 01:41:14 PM »

He may say things that people like to hear but I could see through it all. "The Donald" is a gimmick as a Presidential Candidate.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2015, 02:05:46 PM »

Stupid people like stupid candidates.
Bigots like bigoted candidates.
People who hate America like candidates who hate America.
Socialists love socialists.
Angry people like angry candidates.
People who are soft on defense like candidates who are soft on defense.

Apparently "soft on defense" means not sending Americans to die in wars that have nothing to do with our national security.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2015, 02:06:31 PM »

The Atlas bubble that thought "JOHN KASICH WON THE DEBATE!!!!" is not going to understand Trump's appeal to the average American.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2015, 04:37:11 PM »

he's an angry and successful business owner basically. Angry people who like capitalism and think America is falling apart
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2015, 04:50:53 PM »

Donald Trump is bold, he is confident, he doesn't play the media's political correctness game, and they love him for it.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2015, 05:05:02 PM »

A big section of the GOP has felt hen-pecked for their views being politically incorrect (factually incorrect too, but that's clearly not the point). Trump feeds off that resentment and acts like a belligerent douchebag ... Republicans love belligerent douchebags... "I'll say whatever I want, I don't care what you think or care about your feelings" Vote winnah!
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2015, 05:08:28 PM »

Angry people like angry candidates.

And a majority of the Republican electorate is angry.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2015, 05:11:21 PM »

-Republicans have spent years talking up job creators and the private sector as solutions to all their problems.  Enter the Donald.
-He's super rich, so he can't be bought.
-He 'tells it like it is'.
-He gives the establishment a headache.
-He talks a lot about an issue that the GOP has been trying to move away from (immigration).
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2015, 05:42:57 PM »

Conor Friedersdorf went to the trouble of collecting 30 responses to this question.  You could have looked in this shiny new thread about that, couldn't you?:   Wink

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=217701.0
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2015, 07:12:20 PM »

Everyone on both sides of the aisle dislikes their party's leadership. Democrats tend to give low approval ratings to DWS, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, etc. while Republicans dislike McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, and Priebus. Trump and Sanders really stick it to these people, and voters are willing to overlook a couple of trivial policy position to watch them squirm.
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2015, 07:40:32 PM »

I noticed that Donald Trump's supporters were twice as high among non-college graduates than college graduates. Its right wing populism. Its blaming others for economic problems (immigrants, China, trade, outsourcing, etc.) that these supporters may be facing. Its saying whatever the hell you want without giving a sh**t. Its about attitude, not politics. That's what the appeal is, and its pretty clear it is working among 1/4 of the GOP electorate. Its stupid, but so are they.
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2015, 07:58:00 PM »

Stupid people like stupid candidates.
Bigots like bigoted candidates.
People who hate America like candidates who hate America.
Socialists love socialists.
Angry people like angry candidates.
People who are soft on defense like candidates who are soft on defense.
Yeah, but how many people other than Trump himself fit all of those categories?
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2015, 09:29:05 PM »

He is entertaining to the masses in a process that is usually only entertaining to political junkies. It's 15 months before the election, so most people are just starting to tune in. By running, he has put a unique spin on himself, one of the most known GOP candidates. Therefore, low information voters are interested in the entertaining candidate they already know. As other candidates' recognition levels raise and it gets closer, he'll be seen by the public as most political junkies already see him.
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2015, 09:56:35 PM »

I noticed that Donald Trump's supporters were twice as high among non-college graduates than college graduates. Its right wing populism. Its blaming others for economic problems (immigrants, China, trade, outsourcing, etc.) that these supporters may be facing. Its saying whatever the hell you want without giving a sh**t. Its about attitude, not politics. That's what the appeal is, and its pretty clear it is working among 1/4 of the GOP electorate. Its stupid, but so are they.

To be fair, many of the college graduate GOP primary voters are supporting Carson. That's not much better.
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2015, 10:06:24 PM »

Angry people like angry candidates.

And a majority of the Republican electorate is angry.

I think you are on to something. Look, these are difficult times for most Americans. This is a stagnant economy, the President has implemented failed policies, he's appeased our enemies, and he's lawless. In my mind, we Republicans have a choice. We can either identify the problems and find solutions, or we can yell and scream. I like the first option, but apparently others disagree.

I noticed that Donald Trump's supporters were twice as high among non-college graduates than college graduates. Its right wing populism. Its blaming others for economic problems (immigrants, China, trade, outsourcing, etc.) that these supporters may be facing. Its saying whatever the hell you want without giving a sh**t. Its about attitude, not politics. That's what the appeal is, and its pretty clear it is working among 1/4 of the GOP electorate. Its stupid, but so are they.

As I have said before, Trump's supporters are old white men who are angry because brown people moved into their neighborhoods and displaced workers who hate immigrants and blame globalization for their unemployment or low wages despite that not being responsible fully. Now, someone made the argument some of his supporters are young, okay, that's just folks who only know him from television, these aren't high information voters. I completely agree with you that it's about attitude, but I will also say that a majority in both parties want a presidential President.

Stupid people like stupid candidates.
Bigots like bigoted candidates.
People who hate America like candidates who hate America.
Socialists love socialists.
Angry people like angry candidates.
People who are soft on defense like candidates who are soft on defense.

Apparently "soft on defense" means not sending Americans to die in wars that have nothing to do with our national security.

What I am specifically referring to is Donald Trump's opposition to the mission in Iraq. But, I actually think policing the world is also soft on defense. In my opinion, there have to be some overseas bases and on occasion, as a last resort, the U.S. has to go to war. We should always be a leader in the world, but we shouldn't police the world. If we retreat from the world, we are allowing evil forces to take over and when we police the world, we stretch ourselves too thin. It's a balancing act. Mr. Trump opposed the mission in Iraq, yet he also has said he's "the most militaristic person."

The Atlas bubble that thought "JOHN KASICH WON THE DEBATE!!!!" is not going to understand Trump's appeal to the average American.

Trump doesn't appeal to most Americans, that is why right now Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio are the only two candidates defeating Hillary Clinton in general election matchups. Trump makes them both look even more presidential than they already were. Some say Trump is hurting the GOP in a general election, I'm not so sure about that. His stupidity makes Governor Bush and Senator Rubio, two smart individuals, look even more intelligent than they already are.  
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2015, 10:10:26 PM »

Trump's rise causes me to no longer take anyone seriously who spouts out the mouth about being a "true conservative" and following "conservative principles".
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2015, 10:18:44 PM »

I noticed that Donald Trump's supporters were twice as high among non-college graduates than college graduates. Its right wing populism. Its blaming others for economic problems (immigrants, China, trade, outsourcing, etc.) that these supporters may be facing. Its saying whatever the hell you want without giving a sh**t. Its about attitude, not politics. That's what the appeal is, and its pretty clear it is working among 1/4 of the GOP electorate. Its stupid, but so are they.

There were a number of good answers here.  This one probably explains his popularity the best.

What Trump's supporters ARE angry about is the cutting off of the discussion of THEIR issues.  We'll talk about immigration, but only so much, because we want a bigger share of Hispanics to vote for us.  We'll talk about jobs, but the free-trade agreements that shipped manufacturing jobs overseas are off-limits because they're GOOD for us.  The other Republicans live in denial of the shrinking of the middle class, and only mention it to bash Obama.  

Trump brings up the discussion.  Trump calls out folks and says they're to blame, and he doesn't stop at Obama.  Trump doesn't give a crap about niceties, and folks like that because niceties generally mean that they're being soft-pedaled and lied to.  Trump doesn't treat people like they're stupid, and they're NOT stupid.  (Would you vote for a person whose minions regarded you as a "low information voter"?)   More importantly, Trump doesn't insult their intelligence by turning the campaign into a "Conservative Contest"; he's injected new issues into the campaign, and they are many of the issues of the old Perot constituency.

Trump's the only candidate who's told folks that they're not wrong in what they've come to think, and the only candidate who, in the eyes of voters, has actually succeeded in business (as opposed to being propped up by his Dad).  And, yes, there is no amount of rhetorical backspin that will convince even Trump's enemies (or, at least, the ones with some objectivity left) that Jeb Bush was more successful in business than Trump is. He's DONE BIG THINGS, he's not some kind of Marco Rubio Manager Trainee-type, and he's not a career politician who's done nothing but be a legislator.  
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2015, 06:54:15 AM »

The Atlas bubble that thought "JOHN KASICH WON THE DEBATE!!!!" is not going to understand Trump's appeal to the average American.
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2015, 07:07:40 AM »

I noticed that Donald Trump's supporters were twice as high among non-college graduates than college graduates. Its right wing populism. Its blaming others for economic problems (immigrants, China, trade, outsourcing, etc.) that these supporters may be facing. Its saying whatever the hell you want without giving a sh**t. Its about attitude, not politics. That's what the appeal is, and its pretty clear it is working among 1/4 of the GOP electorate. Its stupid, but so are they.

There were a number of good answers here.  This one probably explains his popularity the best.

What Trump's supporters ARE angry about is the cutting off of the discussion of THEIR issues.  We'll talk about immigration, but only so much, because we want a bigger share of Hispanics to vote for us.  We'll talk about jobs, but the free-trade agreements that shipped manufacturing jobs overseas are off-limits because they're GOOD for us.  The other Republicans live in denial of the shrinking of the middle class, and only mention it to bash Obama.  

Trump brings up the discussion.  Trump calls out folks and says they're to blame, and he doesn't stop at Obama.  Trump doesn't give a crap about niceties, and folks like that because niceties generally mean that they're being soft-pedaled and lied to.  Trump doesn't treat people like they're stupid, and they're NOT stupid.  (Would you vote for a person whose minions regarded you as a "low information voter"?)   More importantly, Trump doesn't insult their intelligence by turning the campaign into a "Conservative Contest"; he's injected new issues into the campaign, and they are many of the issues of the old Perot constituency.

Trump's the only candidate who's told folks that they're not wrong in what they've come to think, and the only candidate who, in the eyes of voters, has actually succeeded in business (as opposed to being propped up by his Dad).  And, yes, there is no amount of rhetorical backspin that will convince even Trump's enemies (or, at least, the ones with some objectivity left) that Jeb Bush was more successful in business than Trump is. He's DONE BIG THINGS, he's not some kind of Marco Rubio Manager Trainee-type, and he's not a career politician who's done nothing but be a legislator.  

I have brought this up multiple times and I don't recall you ever responding, if I'm wrong I apologize. Jobs related to exports pay an average of 15% more than jobs in other sectors. There are 500,000 unfilled manufacturing jobs in America today. That being said, there are plenty of foreign companies who have plants in the U.S. just as plenty of U.S. companies have plants in foreign countries. The folks in Lafayette, Indiana are happy for globalization because last year, 200 people were hired to work in the Subaru plant there, more will be hired this year, and the 200 hired last year were an addition to the plant, it's been there for years now. So with jobs related to trade paying more and with globalization and free trade creating jobs over the last few decades even during tough economic times in most other sectors, how can you argue that free trade and globalization are a bad thing for the American worker?

Secondly, immigration. It would cost us $12,500 PER PERSON to deport the 11-20 million people here illegally. The cost would be around $140 billion as a minimum. Mr. Trump argues that immigrants hold wages down, that isn't true - in fact legal immigrants actually help increase wages and are twice as likely to start small businesses as natives. We have to follow the rule of law, but we also have to recognize that we are more than $18 trillion in debt. How can you justify spending billions more and having a giant logistical nightmare to deport folks when we could give them a pathway to legal status and create more tax paying citizens?
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