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« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2015, 10:40:32 PM »


Some one who comes here illegally and then sends our money out of this nation is doing us NO good....
The people who come to the US illegally to work earn their money by hard work. Harder work than nearly all of us here can imagine. They work night and day, frequently multiple full-time jobs at the same time, barely finding a moment to sleep. They do the jobs nobody wants to do. Hard field agriculture (getting you the oranges you have for the juice at breakfast). Restaurants, washing dishes (so that you can afford, actually, going to a restaurant). And, yes, they are the ones wiping your grandparents' dirty bottoms in those nursing homes, while you guys are posting the comments like this.
Illegal immigrants are not evenly distributed. Are you really going to claim that nursing homes in Vermont do not provide adequate care, or people in Kentucky can't afford to eat out, or have to eat from dirty dishes?
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« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2015, 10:48:42 PM »
« Edited: August 17, 2015, 10:51:29 PM by ag »


Some one who comes here illegally and then sends our money out of this nation is doing us NO good....
The people who come to the US illegally to work earn their money by hard work. Harder work than nearly all of us here can imagine. They work night and day, frequently multiple full-time jobs at the same time, barely finding a moment to sleep. They do the jobs nobody wants to do. Hard field agriculture (getting you the oranges you have for the juice at breakfast). Restaurants, washing dishes (so that you can afford, actually, going to a restaurant). And, yes, they are the ones wiping your grandparents' dirty bottoms in those nursing homes, while you guys are posting the comments like this.
Illegal immigrants are not evenly distributed. Are you really going to claim that nursing homes in Vermont do not provide adequate care, or people in Kentucky can't afford to eat out, or have to eat from dirty dishes?

My grandpa did not live in Vermont, but you are not TOO badly mistaken. Actually, surprisingly close.

Migrants, like others, go where there is a labor shortage. I am afraid, one reason they might not be working too much in Kentucky restaurants is because a lot of people in Kentucky cannot afford going to a restaurant.
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« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2015, 10:56:32 PM »

And, of course, I have no clue how Texans would survive without Mexicans at all. In my experience, there is a very clear negative selection operating on those Anglos who choose to live in places like Dallas. Fortunately, it does not operate among the Hispanics. Frankly, when in Texas, I strongly prefer to ask for things like directions from people who do not speak English: one can actually get a sensible answer from them. Most Anglo hotel, etc. staff there usually seems borderline retarded.
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« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2015, 11:00:27 PM »

Anyway, I guess it is clear now what made me explode.
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« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2015, 01:32:03 PM »
« Edited: August 18, 2015, 01:35:33 PM by hopper »

This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

See, it's rather telling that's the response you latch onto. You can't dispute that Romney had no policy proposals in his campaign or even bring up that Jeb does either.

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Fine suggestions. So why vote Republican to make that happen when Hillary Clinton and the Democrats could do it instead?

Donald Trump is the first Republican in over a decade to be about something other than "defeat the Democrats." He's far from a joke. He's the most real candidate the Republicans have right now.

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated she has no respect for the rule of law. She supports a pathway to citizenship, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I highly doubt she'd support defunding sanctuary cities, she'd support the Dream Act, and she'd try to give amnesty where she can.

No, Donald Trump is a joke. The tea party is falling for his B.S. because they are scared and angry. But the majority of Republicans still support other serious candidates.
No, not all Trump Supporters are Tea Partiers his supporters are split between Conservatives and Moderates. Its like the "Old Perot Coalition" that was spilt between Moderate and Liberal Republicans and maybe even some Conservative Democrats at that time in 1992.
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« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2015, 01:33:57 PM »

This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

See, it's rather telling that's the response you latch onto. You can't dispute that Romney had no policy proposals in his campaign or even bring up that Jeb does either.

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Fine suggestions. So why vote Republican to make that happen when Hillary Clinton and the Democrats could do it instead?

Donald Trump is the first Republican in over a decade to be about something other than "defeat the Democrats." He's far from a joke. He's the most real candidate the Republicans have right now.

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated she has no respect for the rule of law. She supports a pathway to citizenship, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I highly doubt she'd support defunding sanctuary cities, she'd support the Dream Act, and she'd try to give amnesty where she can.

No, Donald Trump is a joke. The tea party is falling for his B.S. because they are scared and angry. But the majority of Republicans still support other serious candidates.
No, not all Trump Supporters are Tea Partiers his supporters are split between Conservatives and Moderates.

"Stupid people are ruining America" - Herman Cain
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« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2015, 01:39:14 PM »

More proof that Donald Trump is a LYING IDIOT!

Panic mode. Flipping out like this is not going to help your boy Jeb.

Yes, I am in panic mode. Donald Trump hates freedom. he hates capitalism. He hates immigrants. He hates women. He hates America. He is dumb, incompetent, and clueless on the economy and foreign policy. He is angry, bitter, and divisive. His supporters are not well read. Yet, he leads in public opinion polls and makes all Republicans look awful. 

From the perspective of someone on the other side of the isle (way on the other side), your description applies equally well to all the Republican candidates, not just Trump.


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« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2015, 11:14:53 PM »

If Trump's immigration principles had been in use in the 19th century, his own grandparents wouldn't have been let in:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trumps-immigration-principles-wouldve-barred-his-own-grandfather/401600/
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« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2015, 12:13:30 AM »


I would think that there is overlap between those that bring up United States immigration policy in 1885 as a means of discrediting Trump and those that scoff at folks like Ron Paul for bringing up United States monetary policy in 1885 as a defense of a gold standard, without a hint of irony.
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« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2015, 07:01:32 AM »


I would think that there is overlap between those that bring up United States immigration policy in 1885 as a means of discrediting Trump and those that scoff at folks like Ron Paul for bringing up United States monetary policy in 1885 as a defense of a gold standard, without a hint of irony.

Where's the irony? No one is either holding up 1885 as the zenith of policy perfection or its nadir. I didn't think one had to take a uniform stance on all things in a given year.
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« Reply #60 on: August 19, 2015, 07:59:57 AM »

Trump is wrong on this, mass deportation of all the illegals here will cost a LOT and require more resources, which we can't afford, nor is this going to help us in getting back the white house. We NEED the Hispanic vote to win and if Trump is the nominee expect 8 out of 10 Hispanics to vote for Clinton....
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« Reply #61 on: August 19, 2015, 11:08:33 AM »

Of course he is wrong. But it doesn't matter. Even people disagreeing with him on this key position (like myself) are his supporters. You better check those 30 reasons why people support Trump. You'll see they make him the winner.
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« Reply #62 on: August 19, 2015, 10:08:51 PM »

Seeing dudabides rage about poor Jebby  and the Don makes me smile inside.

Here is the fundamental problem. I support Jeb Bush, yes, but I have my own views as well. I am very concerned about the direction this nation is headed in. I am a strong proponent of free markets and capitalism. What we have today is quasi-capitalism, we need to return to capitalism. Donald Trump would move us further away from that goal.

To be perfectly honest, "libertarianrepublican" your'e a fraud. Anyone who supports individual liberty and libertarian principles can't support or defend someone who is the king of corporate welfare and who has wanted to take away property rights.

This is more detailed than anything Romney put out in the 6 years he ran for President.

Mitt Romney never lied about illegal immigration to my knowledge though.

Look, we need a temporary worker program, we need a pathway to legal status, we need employment verification, and we should get rid of sanctuary cities. The only person who should be deported is Melania Trump because she contributes nothing to American society. Seriously though, this has been used as an issue for people like Ted Cruz who need to rely on winning the votes of the scared and ignorant, and it's been used by the Democrats to try and win over immigrants by giving them gifts.

I'm begging to think that you are actually Jeb Bush. This is too much panic for just a supporter, this is how a candidate would lose it. Calm down, John Ellis, it will be okay.

Read my response above. I'll support the nominee of the Republican Party UNLESS it is Donald Trump. Even the people who I dislike, if they are nominated, I will respect the will of my fellow Republicans and support our candidate because he/she will be better than the Democrats.

Should Bush lose the nomination, I will be greatly disappointed. But to be quite honest, it's about equally important to me that Trump loses as Bush wins because. Trump is against everything I stand for - he's about hatred, bigotry, and socialism. I'm about hope, inclusion, and capitalism.

Nice that you think I'm a fraud. Who said I was defending him, I just hate Bush even more lol.

From a libertarian perspective, I get that Rand Paul is the best candidate, but Trump should be considered the worst. First of all, if you disagree with Jeb Bush on foreign policy, you then have to disagree with Trump because while Trump did oppose the mission in Iraq, he also said he was "the most militaristic person." Trump also has a history of supporting gun control, opposing private property rights, supporting socialized medicine, these are all radically left wing, anti-libertarian positions that no other GOP candidate (except for George Pataki and John Kasich on gun control) has taken. On top of that, this guy is a crony capitalist - one of the things I love about libertarians is they hate crony capitalism and expose it for what it is.

I mean, look what Michael Tanner at NRO wrote just a few days ago:

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Now, to be fair, the same article does discuss my candidate spending $456 million in taxpayer funds to bring life sciences and biotech to Florida. But even in his situation, while I disagree with Governor Bush's use of a state fund, he didn't cater to one individual and pick winners and losers like Chris Christie (who has spent $2.1 billion on corporate welfare in 2014 alone) and others, and he certainly didn't buy corporate welfare off the backs of taxpayers the way Mr. Trump did.

http://www.tcpalm.com/franchise/shaping-our-future/vgti-facing-financial-issues_91933636

Jebbie picked losers in biotech; now, FL municipalities are on the hook.

I disagree with the $456 million Jeb Bush handed out in subsidies while he was Governor. But Donald Trump cost New Yorkers $163 million. The $456 million Bush handed out at least went to research and development, Trump has not contributed to research and development. Additionally, Bush's $456 million went to companies across Florida, New Yorkers spent $163 million plus on one man's company. Now, Trump didn't create the policies he took advantage of, but it's hard to tell folks that he'll end corporate welfare when he accepted it in the past AND after he's been in bankruptcy four times at the expense of taxpayers.
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