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Question: Do you support altering the 14th amendment to not include citizenship by birth in the US
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Cassius
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« on: August 19, 2015, 09:00:44 AM »

If I were American, then of course.
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Cassius
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2015, 05:43:40 AM »

We literally have an issue where America is ahead of where most countries of the world will likely ever be. Let's not change that.

Have any posters from Australia, New Zealand, or Europe weighed in on what troglodytes we are for opposing birthright citizenship? Just curious...

Not a perfect fit to your criteria but its one of those archiac and bizarre things about the United States to much of the world... similar to the United States's 2nd amendment. Enjoy your American Exceptionalism.


To call a pretty expansive and inclusive amendment 'archaic" is kind of odd.

That's exactly what it is. Now, the 14th amendment wasn't, really, created with immigrants in mind, as I'm sure you'll know; it was created, partly, to prevent the disenfranchisement of former slaves, which, of course, isn't a pressing matter anymore. However, going back to my initial point, the way the 14th amendment's purpose is being interpreted by some here is totally archaic. Birthright citizenship may have been an acceptable policy several centuries ago, during an era of small populations, ill-defined polities, relatively low levels of geographical mobility and very small states (government bureaucracy's were hardly in a position to catch 'illegal immigrants'), but doesn't hold water in an age where none of those things are true, at least in the West.

 I mean, take Europe, which is currently in the mist of what is perhaps the biggest series of external migrations since the Great Migrations of Late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages. European countries can't simply allow for birthright citizenship, due to the sheer volume of immigrants (most of them illegal) currently entering the continent. It's not politically or governmentally tenable. I would argue the same about the United States, although illegal immigration across the Mexican border seems to have tapered off as of late. Birthright citizenship is an untenable policy when you have very large influxes of people entering a country illegally.
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